Ranger's training thread

[JimR]

HOCR 2011 is closer than you think...less than 60 weeks!

Better yet ... september 1st 2010 is less than 28 hours away. It appears that ranger is still on plan but not on schedule.

Perhaps a letter to the BIRC, WIRC and HOCR boards could have them pospone the 2010 and 2011 events until ranger is ready for his 6:16 2K erg(s) and 1:50 OTW preformances? Maybe they could see fit to bend the rules about how old a person can actually be and still meet the 59/60 age qualifications?!

I'm sure ranger will be ready to do the 6:16 in ... oh ... 7 years or so!

JimR

[Carl Watts]

Wow can someone post some results here as soon as they become available from 1st September ?

I cannot wait ! may even have a crack at a decent 2K time myself on the 2nd September and try and beat Ranger's effort !

[ranger]

Your statement is meaningless w/o duration.

No, in my case, just the opposite.

Duration is irrelevant.

My fitness is great.

If you are just taking good strokes, duration at some rate and pace is just the size of your engine and the octane of the fuel in your tank.

I have no problem with that.

ranger

[ranger]

You will get quite good if, and only if, you participate where you can be seen for what you really are

That's certainly the plan.

But before that, timing myself a dozen or so times on the course might be relevant, too, even if no one is watching.

You can't do in a race what you can't do in practice.

And better, I suppose, you can indeed do in a race what you can do in practice.

Who is watching is irrelevant.

ranger

[ranger]

No 1st time sculler breaks long standing records in his first race... DOes something so fundamental even have to be spoken?...

Yea, that's what people like Caviston and Hastings said about erging, too.

They thought it was a total insult to rowers everywhere to suggest otherwise.

Sound familiar?

Neither could really believe that they so were entirely wrong.

Except for the weight, which took me a year to lose, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race, even though I didn't know how to row and was just hauling anchor largely with just my back arms at max drag.

6:27.5

Now that I know how to row, I think I am about a dozen seconds better than that (even though I am nine years older).



ranger

[ranger]

No 1st time sculler breaks long standing records in his first race...

If a lightweight 60s sculler can still pull sub-6:20 on the erg for 2K (with comparable times in the other events), as I think I now can, and can pull 7.7 SPI OTW, just stroking naturally, sky's the limit.

There is no historical precedent.

At the Head of the Charles, historically, the best younger scullers have been 17 seconds per 500m faster than the best 60s scullers.

ranger

[ranger]

Suggestion: Bail on the weight cutting for now... scull in a goodly number of events for experience's sake.HOCR 2011 is closer than you think...less than 60 weeks!

Both-and is much better than either-or.

There is nothing incompatible about the two, especially for a 60-year-old.

I am rowing hard both OTErg and OTW--every day.

HOCR 2011 is not my primary goal right now.

My primary goal is a lwt 6:16 at 60 OTErg.

ranger

[whp4]

No 1st time sculler breaks long standing records in his first race...

If a lightweight 60s sculler can still pull sub-6:20 on the erg for 2K (with comparable times in the other events), as I think I now can, and can pull 7.7 SPI OTW, just stroking naturally, sky's the limit.

You should concentrate your "thinking" on some new excuses for this year, because when the dust settles, Roy's record will still be the record, you will have come nowhere near 6:20 with less than 100 meters to row, and you won't have ranked any of the other distances.

[ranger]

I suspect that no beginning lightweight 60s sculler has ever done much better than 7:15 for 2K on the erg, 19:00 for 5K.
RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 5000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 60-69 | 2010 Season

1 Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 18:25.7 RowPro
gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 18:27.9 IND
2 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 18:43.1 IND_V
3 Bob Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 18:47.3 IND
4 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 18:52.8 IND_V
5 Joe Keating 61 London IRL 18:55.5 C2Log
6 Kurt Blumberg 63 Boulder CO USA 18:56.0 IND
7 Rob Codling 61 Berkhamsted GBR 18:57.6 IND
8 Rob Drury 63 Maidstone Kent GBR 18:58.4 C2Log
9 Greg Hodge 63 Traverse City MI USA 18:59.4 IND_V
10 Brian Snead 63 westgate-on-sea Kent GBR 19:03.5 IND_V

At 18 seconds per 500m over erg times, for 5K OTW, sure, that 2:12 pace.

At 7.7 SPI, 2:12 pace is 20 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

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[macroth]

beginning lightweight 60s sculler

"Beginning" as in having rowed millions of meters on the erg and hundreds of thousands of meters on the water?

Keep in mind, OTW, lightweight means <160 lbs.

[hjs]

July 28, 2010: The schedule is to do a 6:28 2K on September 1st, before I start to sharpen.


But what I do and not during my sharpening over the next six months will no longer be reported here.

There is no sympathetic or reasonable audience for it.

So it goes.

You have "policed" your forum effectively.

Good work.

You will see what I am able to do at BIRC.

See you there!

ranger

[hjs]

At his UK BLOG Ranger deletes messages he doesn't like, and he has the habit, particularly dishonest and obnoxious, of editing other people's posts along with the usual attributing quotes to the wrong authors. If you follow him there, you will be playing in his playground.

Oh B.S.

You're the biggest asshole I've ever encountered, Byron.

Ever.

What's youir problem, dude?

Get a life.

We are all sorry that you are no good at rowing, but sheesh, being lousy at something is no reason to make things worse by bitching and moaning about it.

ranger

Drop the bottle rich............. you have a bad drink, did you apologise ?

[ranger]

beginning lightweight 60s sculler

"Beginning" as in having rowed millions of meters on the erg and hundreds of thousands of meters on the water?

Keep in mind, OTW, lightweight means <160 lbs.

Just using Mike's reference to my first race.

I am not talking about an OTW lightweight.

OTW, weight is irrelevant.

ranger

[macroth]

At his UK BLOG Ranger deletes messages he doesn't like, and he has the habit, particularly dishonest and obnoxious, of editing other people's posts along with the usual attributing quotes to the wrong authors. If you follow him there, you will be playing in his playground.

Oh B.S.

You're the biggest asshole I've ever encountered, Byron.

Ever.

What's youir problem, dude?

Get a life.

We are all sorry that you are no good at rowing, but sheesh, being lousy at something is no reason to make things worse by bitching and moaning about it.

ranger

Drop the bottle rich............. you have a bad drink, did you apologise ?

On the other hand, as I pointed out in my earlier post, why did Byron agree to go rowing with a "particularly dishonest and obnoxious" individual?

Maybe in ranger's training thread it's only natural that people don't say what they mean or mean what they say. When in Rome...