Ranger's training thread

[Byron Drachman]

It was a pleasant morning. Ranger exaggerates about banging into the shore so often. The race course has one gradual bend that is easy to negotiate, and the rest of the course is straight. I showed him the one and only trick that would be helpful. You get a running start and go through a bridge under partial power. Once through the bridge you straighten out with a few hard-on-starboard strokes and your timing starts a little past that point. It would make a good first OTW event and my suggestion would be to just stay relaxed and not worry about doing a fast time but just get the experience. We did take him into a part of the river with turns and nice scenery. Here was a spot where we paused for a photo op:

[bellboy]

It does go to show what a thoroughly decent chap Byron is. It was only a week ago that you gratuitously insulted him on this forum. Me? I would have chinned you

[ranger]

being a 'rower' requires one to be honorable, to respect other rowers and the sport

Your tone here is wretched, embarrassing stuff.

More in group, out group behavior--typical of rowers, it seems.

ranger

[ranger]

It does go to show what a thoroughly decent chap Byron is. It was only a week ago that you gratuitously insulted him on this forum. Me? I would have chinned you

Who cares what you do?

_I_ certainly don't.

The nay-sayers like you who post here aren't worth anyone's time or attention.

They aren't sportsmen in any sense of the word.

Nay-sayers are vermin.

A little rat poison for dinner, and the problem is fixed.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Rich:
Sounds like you had quite a productive outing on the Grand...
Hope you do take the plunge and enter your first head race there later this fall...

I think you'll find that hard and fast numbers OTW are hard to come by... Wind and traffic being two things that are not constant OTW...
We can never assume ideal conditions when racing in an actual (as opposed to virtual) boat...

[ranger]

Rich:
Sounds like you had quite a productive outing on the Grand...
Hope you do take the plunge and enter your first head race there later this fall...

I think you'll find that hard and fast numbers OTW are hard to come by... Wind and traffic being two things that are not constant OTW...
We can never assume ideal conditions when racing in an actual (as opposed to virtual) boat...

Sure.

I was just mentioning paces that would go with ideal conditions--as it was this morning, and has been all week here in Michigan.

Given that I have never really had a big stretch of open river to work with, the question for me initially is what I can do for 4K in ideal conditions--week after week.

I'll get a feel for this over the next six weeks.

I think it might be productive to do the Head of the Grand course, over and over, in a rate pyramid.

I would be interested to see what I could do the course in, first, at 22 spm, then at 23 spm, then at 24 spm, then at 25 spm, then at 26 spm, then at 27 spm, then at 28 spm, then at 29 spm, then at 30 spm.

ranger

[DUThomas]

Who cares what you do?

_I_ certainly don't.

The nay-sayers like you who post here aren't worth anyone's time or attention.

They aren't sportsmen in any sense of the word.

Nay-sayers are vermin.

A little rat poison for dinner, and the problem is fixed.

ranger

Let's talk about your breakfast -- do you have bile with your cereal or do you spread it on toast?

[leadville]

being a 'rower' requires one to be honorable, to respect other rowers and the sport

Your tone here is wretched, embarrassing stuff.

More in group, out group behavior--typical of rowers, it seems.

ranger

no, rangerboy. Byron is typical. Mike is typical. I am typical. recall when i first posted here it was in an effort to help you with your weight loss problem. And you, in standard ragerboy fashion, replied in your usual snotty, self-absorbed, nasty way.

nice job steering, rangerboy. cant wait to see you on the Charles. make sure your insurance is paid up; those bridges and seawalls aren't as forgiving as the banks of the Grand.

Were you able to keep that 1:55 after ramming the bank? or was that another of your breaks?

[macroth]

There really is some strange psychology at work in this thread.

Here we have ranger posting hundreds of posts just to get laughed at and insulted every single day, then "leaving" to his .uk blog because we're not worth the bother and returning a few days later for more of the same; chastising leadville for his "you're not a real rower" spiel but always seeking attention and acceptance from his forum audience; and jumping at the opportunity of rowing with Byron D., a chap who has made one of the best contributions to these threads by compiling countless chronological lists of ranger's lies and obfuscations and whom ranger has, in return, insulted vigorously many times.

I tend to treat this type of forum like a face to face conversation, so given what's been said/typed, I can't imagine being Byron and inviting ranger to row with me nor, in ranger's shoes, accepting.

[ranger]

I tend to treat this type of forum like a face to face conversation, so given what's been said/typed, I can't imagine being Byron and inviting ranger to row with me nor, in ranger's shoes, accepting.

Byron didn't invite me--this time.

I suggested the occasion.

A good time was had by all.

Which might mean that what you say in the first paragraph of your post isn't the case at all.

What are lies and obfuscations are judgments, in this case, misguided.

I am just training like everyone else, pursuing my goals.

These goals are now well within view, both OTW and OTErg.

I am reporting my training here.

ranger

[ranger]

Even in ideal conditions, 1:57 for 5K should be something like a limit for 60s rowers OTW.

The lwt WR for 5K on the erg is just under 1:45 (the 60s hwt WR for 5K isn't much better), and 12 seconds per 500m over erg times is about as well as anyone can do OTW, even if you are a lightweight.

Over the next six weeks, and then in the event itself, it will be interesting to see whether I can do the Head of the Grand course at 1:57.

If I am reading the record aright, no 60s rower has done the Head of the Charles at much better than 2:05 pace: 20:15 (unadjusted).

ranger

[ranger]

Who cares what you do?

_I_ certainly don't.

The nay-sayers like you who post here aren't worth anyone's time or attention.

They aren't sportsmen in any sense of the word.

Nay-sayers are vermin.

A little rat poison for dinner, and the problem is fixed.

ranger

Let's talk about your breakfast -- do you have bile with your cereal or do you spread it on toast?

Nope.

I'm just not into turning the other cheek.

What goes around, comes around.

Watch out.

Nay-sayers are idiots.

Vermin.

They should all be banned from the forum.

Their attitudes and verbal behavior are inexcusable.

ranger

[ranger]

Sounds like you had quite a productive outing on the Grand...

Yes, while I can certainly get much better, as we all can, my OTW rowing is now just fine.

When I am rowing hard, taking good strokes, I do 7.7 SPI:

2:00 @ 26 spm
1:56 @ 29 spm
1:52 @ 32 spm
1:49 @ 35spm
1:46 @ 38 spm

etc.

Delighted with that.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

We do have a good venue for rowing on our part of the Grand River. We also have a good rowing club. If you are interested, here is a link to our FaceBook page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 818&ref=ts

There are some photos from our recent midnight madness row. We had a training barge decorated with lights with people going up and down serving drinks and snacks. Unlike a typical training barge with novices, everybody was an experienced rower including some college rowers. We had that barge flying down the river putting out a monster wake. What a hoot!

[mikvan52]

Sounds like you had quite a productive outing on the Grand...

Yes, while I can certainly get much better, as we all can, my OTW rowing is now just fine.

When I am rowing hard, taking good strokes, I do 7.7 SPI:

2:00 @ 26 spm
1:56 @ 29 spm
1:52 @ 32 spm
1:49 @ 35spm
1:46 @ 38 spm

etc.

Delighted with that.

ranger

Let me guess... These are 5 stroke paces at each of those rates... (?)
(yawn)
{I know you ain't tellin'}
What's the big secret..?
Your statement is meaningless w/o duration.

And as for:

"Over the next six weeks, and then in the event itself, it will be interesting to see whether I can do the Head of the Grand course at 1:57.

If I am reading the record aright, no 60s rower has done the Head of the Charles at much better than 2:05 pace: 20:15 (unadjusted)."

Please don't be ridiculous. It will not be interesting to see. 2:12 to 2:15 would be interesting & realistic to see. It would also be a job well done on you part... a major success.. an object of pride... worthy of plaudits...

Do you always have to suggest performances that are unprecedented...

No 1st time sculler breaks long standing records in his first race... DOes something so fundamental even have to be spoken?...
Dietz has rowed all HOCR's except one, competed as an elite sculler in his heyday... You, OTOH,my your own statement cannot steer straight...
All things come w/time and experience.

You will get quite good if, and only if, you participate where you can be seen for what you really are as opposed to prevaricating while pontificating.

Suggestion: Bail on the weight cutting for now... scull in a goodly number of events for experience's sake.
HOCR 2011 is closer than you think...less than 60 weeks!