Ranger's training thread

[chgoss]

Apparently your dedication to purpose is stunningly weak if dieting a bit causes you to lose weight hand over fist

No, it's a bit more complicated than that.

Food is necessary in order to work hard and feel well.

It is hard to train without food.

It is also hard to race without food.

ranger

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As you've said SO MANY TIMES, fat doesnt make you go faster, so how could your statements be true?

[ranger]

As you've said SO MANY TIMES, fat doesnt make you go faster

Of course not.

But it is not easy to be 10% fat when you are 60 years old, at least it isn't easy for me.

It's pretty uncomfortable.

At this age, my body seems to prefer something closer to 15% fat.

Only 1% of 60-year-old males are 10% body fat.

25% of 20-year-old males are 10% body fat.

ranger

[ranger]

You should also be aware that the Tanita scale you put so much emphasis on is about as worthless as tits on a bull. Do you really think a gimmick like that can accuarately measure a person's bodyfat?

Yes, it does very nicely.

ranger

[ranger]

90% of 60-year-old males are more than 15% body fat.

Hey, Nav.

What is your % body fat?

30%?

That's 80 lbs. of fat.

To make weight, I need to have only 16.5 lbs. of fat.

ranger

[whp4]

90% of 60-year-old males are more than 15% body fat.

Hey, Nav.

What is your % body fat?

30%?

That's 80 lbs. of fat.

To make weight, I need to have only 16.5 lbs. of fat.

ranger

As Nav doesn't row as a lightweight, his body fat percentage has about as much relevance to a discussion of the difficulties you have with making weight as the bra size of any of the numerous female rowers who would trounce your pathetic lard ass if you had the temerity to actually show up for a race.

[ranger]

Erging is simple, our body chooses the way it can give the most power. So in the end you always end up doing more or less the same.

Sure, initially.

But it is clear that, more generally, independent of personal preference, certain levers are more efficient, as are certain angles ("vectoral forces") and drags.

Sure, life is always simple, if you willing to settle for just being average--or bad.

ranger

[ranger]

As Nav doesn't row as a lightweight, his body fat percentage has about as much relevance to a discussion of the difficulties you have with making weight as the bra size of any of the numerous female rowers who would trounce your pathetic lard ass if you had the temerity to actually show up for a race.

Not at all.

Nav rows OTW, so being as lean as possible would be to his advantage.

But despite the amount of physical work he does, he stays much fatter than me.

If it is so easy to be lean when you are his age, why does he stay so fat?

The fat doesn't help him row faster on the erg, and it slows him down enormously OTW.

At 10% body fat, Nav would be 10-15 seconds faster in a 1K OTW, a minute faster over 5K.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

August 28, 2010: BTW, not rowing very hard at all, just concentrating on technique, OTW, I am now doing a very nice 2:10 @ 24 spm in my Fluid.

I'm sure I can't keep up so I'll see if I can get a lady friend (50-60 age group) to go with me in a double so at least we'll have a chance. Here's hoping the great weather continues. The river has been like glass lately.

[mikvan52]

Aw, shucks..
Don-it kinda make ya go all moist-like when dangy gits warm and fuzzy with Nav'?

(see the comments... #7)
Here

[ranger]

August 28, 2010: BTW, not rowing very hard at all, just concentrating on technique, OTW, I am now doing a very nice 2:10 @ 24 spm in my Fluid.

I'm sure I can't keep up so I'll see if I can get a lady friend (50-60 age group) to go with me in a double so at least we'll have a chance. Here's hoping the great weather continues. The river has been like glass lately.

Just a nice paddle is fine.

No need to go anywhere doubletime.

I'll follow you.

I look forward to the tour!

See you tomorrow.

ranger

[chgoss]

Food is necessary in order to work hard and feel well.
It is hard to train without food.
It is also hard to race without food.

As you've said SO MANY TIMES, fat doesnt make you go faster

Of course not.
But it is not easy to be 10% fat when you are 60 years old, at least it isn't easy for me.
It's pretty uncomfortable.

Ah, I see.. So, while "fat doesnt make you faster", loosing said fat can definately make you go slower. That would certainly explain why in the past it has taken you 3-4 races to get a sub 6:50 2k in.. thanks for the explanation.

[jliddil]

This is my stroke back in 2003, rowing at max drag (200+ df., hauling anchor with my core/back, neglecting my arms, dragging my legs behind):
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This is my stroke now at low drag (118 df.), leading with my legs, then still making full use of my core/back and arms.

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FRAUD.

Both pictures were taken 23-Jul-2010, 10:27PM and 10:28PM with a ...drum roll....

Nikon D5000 the same camera your "friend" just got and could not figure out how to take movies with. This camera did not exist in 2003

If you are going to lie cover up the evidence.

Oh right the picture is merely a "representation" of what you rowed like in 2003

[NavigationHazard]

Moreover the PM4 didn't exist in 2003....

[Citroen]

This is my stroke back in 2003, rowing at max drag (200+ df., hauling anchor with my core/back, neglecting my arms, dragging my legs behind):
<snip>
This is my stroke now at low drag (118 df.), leading with my legs, then still making full use of my core/back and arms.

<snip>

FRAUD.

Both pictures were taken 23-Jul-2010, 10:27PM and 10:28PM with a ...drum roll....

Nikon D5000 the same camera your "friend" just got and could not figure out how to take movies with. This camera did not exist in 2003

If you are going to lie cover up the evidence.

Oh right the picture is merely a "representation" of what you rowed like in 2003

The EXIF viewer I have built into Firefox gives different results to the info you've found.

This is my stroke back in 2003, rowing at max drag (200+ df., hauling anchor with my core/back, neglecting my arms, dragging my legs behind):

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Camera Maker: SONY
Camera Model: DSC-N1
Image Date: 2010:08:28 15:31:40
Focal Length: 23.7mm
Aperture: f/5.4
Exposure Time: 1.000 s
ISO equiv: 200
Exposure Bias: +1.70 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Light Source: Daylight
Flash Fired: No
Color Space: sRGB

This is my stroke now at low drag (118 df.), leading with my legs, then still making full use of my core/back and arms.

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Camera Maker: SONY
Camera Model: DSC-N1
Image Date: 2010:08:28 15:34:03
Focal Length: 23.7mm
Aperture: f/5.4
Exposure Time: 1.000 s
ISO equiv: 200
Exposure Bias: +1.70 EV
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Light Source: Daylight
Flash Fired: No
Color Space: sRGB

That may be a feature of TinyPic when the photo was uploaded. You can't trust EXIF data, it's easy to forge, change or remove.

[ranger]

Ah, I see.. So, while "fat doesnt make you faster", losing said fat can definately make you go slower. That would certainly explain why in the past it has taken you 3-4 races to get a sub 6:50 2k in.. thanks for the explanation.

I listed the dozen races or so that i have done when fully prepared.

They range from 6:27.5 to 6:36.

They average 6:30.

In recent years, I have been racing 2Ks at WR pace without preparing for them.

That explains my irregular performance.

I have been training.

I haven't been racing.

It is a pretty gutsy affair to race a WR-level 2K without doing any anaerobic training.

No?

This year I will be racing.

ranger