Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 27th, 2010, 11:51 am

When he was a senior in high school, my eldest son ran 12:00 for two miles, just to show his coach that he was in good enough shape for soccer, even though he has never done any training for running at all--ever, of any sort.

My claim is this:

My son would have quite a different view of running as a sport if he had trained himself to run 9:00 for two miles as a senior in high school.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » August 27th, 2010, 12:03 pm

Now I get it.

Since even Henrik Stephansen has no idea what it takes to row a lwt 6:28 (let alone 6:16) at 60, nobody on this planet is qualified to comment on your training.

How convenient. :roll:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » August 27th, 2010, 12:06 pm

Of course, Papa Smurf isn't sixty yet. And hasn't rowed 6:30 as a LW in 7 years. So he has no idea either.....

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 27th, 2010, 12:31 pm

macroth wrote:Now I get it.

Since even Henrik Stephansen has no idea what it takes to row a lwt 6:28 (let alone 6:16) at 60, nobody on this planet is qualified to comment on your training.

How convenient. :roll:
Finally!

You get it.

Good goin'.

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 27th, 2010, 12:32 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:Of course, Papa Smurf isn't sixty yet. And hasn't rowed 6:30 as a LW in 7 years. So he has no idea either.....

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True.

But I might--pretty soon.

Then those following behind me in age can follow suit and find out what it takes for themselves.

Can Paul Seibach train himself to row a lwt 6:16 at 60?

Can Mike Caviston?

Can Eskild Ebbesen?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... CCMQ9QEwAw

Last year, Eskild pulled 6:16.

As a result, to pull 6:16 at 60, he will have to be just as fast at 60 as he is now--at 37.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by chgoss » August 27th, 2010, 12:41 pm

macroth wrote:Now I get it.
Since even Henrik Stephansen has no idea what it takes to row a lwt 6:28 (let alone 6:16) at 60, nobody on this planet is qualified to comment on your training.
How convenient. :roll:
It's the same logic that says "no result of a scientific study in exercise physiology applies to me, since I wasnt one of the people participating in the study"

He is consistent in his irrationality..
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 27th, 2010, 12:44 pm

chgoss wrote:
macroth wrote:Now I get it.
Since even Henrik Stephansen has no idea what it takes to row a lwt 6:28 (let alone 6:16) at 60, nobody on this planet is qualified to comment on your training.
How convenient. :roll:
It's the same logic that says "no result of a scientific study in exercise physiology applies to me, since I wasnt one of the people participating in the study"

He is consistent in his irrationality..
Yes, good insight.

Valid "scientific" research on human physical performance is very hard to do, as my father always lamented.

You can't control the variables.

Human beings are social, cultural, historical, volitional, self-conscious, creative, emotional, personal, intellectual, aesthetic, etc.

They are not primarily, or even predominantly, instinctual/biological.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » August 27th, 2010, 1:16 pm

ranger wrote:
macroth wrote:Now I get it.

Since even Henrik Stephansen has no idea what it takes to row a lwt 6:28 (let alone 6:16) at 60, nobody on this planet is qualified to comment on your training.

How convenient. :roll:
Finally!

You get it.

Good goin'.

:D :D

ranger

almost, including you :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » August 27th, 2010, 1:18 pm

ranger wrote: Last year, Eskild pulled 6:16.

As a result, to pull 6:16 at 60, he will have to be just as fast at 60 as he is now--at 37.

ranger

can,t be to hard, after 53 agings stops and you al of sudden can row 12 seconds faster. :P

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » August 27th, 2010, 1:21 pm

ranger wrote:
Yes, good insight.

Valid "scientific" research on human physical performance is very hard to do, as my father always lamented.

You can't control the variables.

Human beings are social, cultural, historical, volitional, self-conscious, creative, emotional, personal, intellectual, aesthetic, etc.

They are not primarily, or even predominantly, instinctual/biological.

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A statement is valid unless it is proven untrue.

So you will never row 6.16 or 6.28, cause it is true, untill you proof it to be wrong.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by chgoss » August 27th, 2010, 1:29 pm

ranger wrote: Human beings are social, cultural, historical, volitional, self-conscious, creative, emotional, personal, intellectual, aesthetic, etc.
They are not primarily, or even predominantly, instinctual/biological.
very true, very true.. Hmm, yes, I believe at this point you have demonstrated you are a sesquipedalian, saxicolous, gasconading lover of circumlocution. Displaying no discernable acumen, pedantic with no realistic or relevant cynosure, perspicacious and luminescent with perfidiousness, having no ability to excogitate. An unparagoned detachment from reality,
The superabundant embodiment of anomalistic anachronistic behavior.

I, on the other hand, exhibit ebullient, magnanimous conviviality, as well as callipygian.


LOL
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » August 27th, 2010, 1:57 pm

I've got an idea ranger. Before you start taunting the greats and their need to duplicate a 6:16 at age 60, why don't you pull that 6:16 first. Once you do it you've got every right to strut around like an old peacock. Until then you might want to consider shutting the hell up.

While we're on the topic of showing something, how about one of those distance trials or specific interval workouts that you were absolutely going to do and show before your September 1st 2k that you were absolutely going to do? It's going to be a busy few days on the erg, especially fitting the longer distance trials between your 100 daily message board postings. What a complete joke you are.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by nysaag » August 27th, 2010, 2:56 pm

Ranger, the nay-doer, will never publish his workouts.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never break 6:40 again.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never pay his debt to Henry.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never speak the truth.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never race OTW.

Ranger will remain a troll.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » August 27th, 2010, 2:57 pm

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 27th, 2010, 3:08 pm

hjs wrote:after 53 agings stops and you al of sudden can row 12 seconds faster
"All of a sudden?"

:D :D

Hardly.

Seven years of work on technique--effectiveness and efficiency.

In 2003, I pulled that lwt 6:28, rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), hauling anchor with my back, neglecting my arms, and dragging my legs behind.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

Sure, I am now a second per 500m slower physiologically than I was in 2003.

But I am four seconds per 500m faster technically.

Net gain?

Three seconds per 500m.

Over the last seven years, I have used my training to overcome my weaknesses, rather than parade my strengths.

You only get better by eliminating your "failings."

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