Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

I have, however, rowed several sub 6:30 2Ks in the past (lwt and hwt), so I have an idea of what you're working on for early september.

Balderdash.

Ridiculous stuff.

That's like saying that I know what it feels like for a 110-year-old man to run a mile in 6:00 because, when I was 20 years old, I also ran a mile in 6:00.

Wake up, dude.

You're an idiot.

ranger

[ranger]

But anyway, let us know when you've actually done a few of those with whatever rest you want.

Happy to.

Let us know when you wake up and get your head out of your ass.

Sheesh!

ranger

[macroth]

Have you ever done 8 x 500m, 1:38 @ 27 spm (3:30 rest)?

For you, those are race pace 500m at 27 spm.

Give it a try--and report back.

ranger

Ah, a more reasonable request!

Can't say that I have, since I didn't really keep track of the few rowing sessions I did this winter. I'll see if I can dig up something. If I feel like training for some erg races this winter I'll try to keep this in mind.

I have, however, rowed several sub 6:30 2Ks in the past (lwt and hwt), so I have an idea of what you're working on for early september.

Balderdash.

Ridiculous stuff.

That's like saying that I know what it feels like for a 110-year-old man to run a mile in 6:00 because, when I was 20 years old, I also ran a mile in 6:00.

Wake up, dude.

You're an idiot.

ranger

Hmm. It still all comes back to numbers, no? Or do all those interrelated pieces, rates, etc. you always mention only concern 60s lwts?

If you can do 20 x 500, paddle a 500m in between, 1:37 @ 27 spm (14.3 SPI), you can most likely do a 6:28/1:37 2K, no matter your age and weight. It might be more impressive if you're a 60s lwt, but that's not the issue here.

[macroth]

But anyway, let us know when you've actually done a few of those with whatever rest you want.

Happy to.

Let us know when you wake up and get your head out of your ass.

Sheesh!

ranger

So how's your training going, this fine morning? Have you done more erging or typing since 1 am?

[ranger]

So how's your training going, this fine morning? Have you done more erging or typing since 1 am?

Erging is done.

Lots of 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

And a little breakfast.

Now, I'll ride my bike until the sun comes up in a couple of hours.

Then I'll do 10K OTW.

How about you?

ranger

[ranger]

Hmm. It still all comes back to numbers, no?

Nope.

Doesn't have much to do with numbers at all.

It's much more humane than that, as you will find out, if you ever get any good at it.

ranger

[ranger]

If you can do 20 x 500, paddle a 500m in between, 1:37 @ 27 spm (14.3 SPI), you can most likely do a 6:28/1:37 2K, no matter your age and weight. It might be more impressive if you're a 60s lwt, but that's not the issue here.

Sure, as a prediction.

But not as a task to be done.

And unfortunately, you don't have any hope of being in a position to do a session that predicts a 6:28 2K as a 60-year-old lwt unless you can confront, in a fully humane way, day after day, independent of the numbers, the task to be done.

For you, this is like confronting doing those 500s 1:21 @ 27 spm.

Food for thought, no?

ranger

[ranger]

As a 20-year-old, running a 6:00 mile can be as easy as pie. Doesn't take any training, and can be done without breaking a sweat.

As a 100-year-old, running a 6:00 mile is nearly impossible, even if you train all day, and when you race, break your heart trying.

Anyone who equates the two situations, humanely, is dead from the neck up.

ranger

[hjs]

For you, this is like confronting doing those 500s 1:21 @ 27 spm.

Food for thought, no?

ranger

eh no, not al all

This 1.21 rate 27 500 s you are talking about can,t simply be done. 2k Wr pace minus 3 rate restricted, that can,t be done.
But it easier to be doen then you doing a 6.16 though.

[macroth]

If you can do 20 x 500, paddle a 500m in between, 1:37 @ 27 spm (14.3 SPI), you can most likely do a 6:28/1:37 2K, no matter your age and weight. It might be more impressive if you're a 60s lwt, but that's not the issue here.

Sure, as a prediction.

But not as a task to be done.

And unfortunately, you don't have any hope of being in a position to do a session that predicts a 6:28 2K as a 60-year-old lwt unless you can confront, in a fully humane way, day after day, independent of the numbers, the task to be done.

For you, this is like confronting doing those 500s 1:21 @ 27 spm.

Food for thought, no?

ranger

"Humane," professor? Really?

Oh, the huge manatee!

Let me confront doing those 500s 1:21@27 spm for a second... Done! I've confronted the fact that I can't do them.

By the by, you're not currently in a position to do a session that predicts a 6:28 2K as a 60-year-old lwt. If you were, you'd have the numbers, humane or inhumane, to back it up.

Enjoy your stationary cycling.

[macroth]

As a 20-year-old, running a 6:00 mile can be as easy as pie. Doesn't take any training, and can be done without breaking a sweat.

As a 100-year-old, running a 6:00 mile is nearly impossible, even if you train all day, and when you race, break your heart trying.

Anyone who equates the two situations, humanely, is dead from the neck up.

ranger

The (humane?) situations aren't the same.
The predictive training sessions are the same.
Nobody here has said anything different.

[ranger]

My heart rate was 46 spm when I sat down on the erg this morning.

After three cups of coffee and walking around?

Wow.

I am in pretty good shape.

Went to the doctor last week to get a check up.

The nurse took my heart rate three times.

Said she just couldn't get a proper reading.

My heart was skipping beats or something.



She took my pulse at my wrist.

Took my pulse at my neck.

Took my pulse with her stethoscope.

She just couldn't get a proper reading.



ranger

[ranger]

Let me confront doing those 500s 1:21@27 spm for a second... Done! I've confronted the fact that I can't do them.

Of course not.

You still have a lot of work to do.

ranger

[ranger]

The (humane?) situations aren't the same.
The predictive training sessions are the same.
Nobody here has said anything different.

Funny stuff.

The chat here hasn't been about rowing much at all.

It has exactly been about humane stuff--or should we way _ad hominem_?

You might made a short review of the thread, just to refresh your memory.

ranger

[ranger]

This 1.21 rate 27 500 s you are talking about can,t simply be done.

So you say.

But you also say that a lwt 6:16 at 60 can't be done.

Not sure about that.

True, no one has ever done better than 26 seconds slower, but I am not sure that is convincing evidence.

It is just historical accident.

ranger