Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

500m, 1:37 @ 27 spm, is about 44 strokes.

11 MPS

So to train for a 2K, 1:37 @ 27 spm, I might want to do a huge number of these 44 stroke intervals, just to get used to the cadence.

Rest time is not very relevant.

ranger

[ranger]

Over these seven years, have you noticed any progress towards performing this FM?

As I have been explaining, ad nauseam, training is not a performance.

It is an opportunity to get better, an opportunity to overcome your weaknesses.

Technique has been my weakness.

So I have been drilling on technique.

Advances have been technical.

I think I have now made these technical advances.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

So, I can now refocus on performance.

ranger

[macroth]

500m, 1:37 @ 27 spm, is about 44 strokes.

11 MPS

So to train for a 2K, 1:37 @ 27 spm, I might want to do a huge number of these 44 stroke intervals, just to get used to the cadence.

Rest time is not very relevant.

ranger

Sure it is. The physical demands and the manner in which you "get used to the cadence" are dramatically different if you rest 1:00 or 5:00.

[ranger]

500m, 1:37 @ 27 spm, is about 44 strokes.

11 MPS

So to train for a 2K, 1:37 @ 27 spm, I might want to do a huge number of these 44 stroke intervals, just to get used to the cadence.

Rest time is not very relevant.

ranger

Sure it is. The physical demands and the manner in which you "get used to the cadence" are dramatically different if you rest 1:00 or 5:00.

Sure.

So what?

You do what you can do.

You work as hard as you can.

Rest for 5:00, if you need to.

Then 4:00.

Then 3:00.

Then 2:00.

Whatever.

You do what you can do.

You work as hard as you can.

ranger

[ranger]

Don't we need to keep a little perspective here?

In the history of the sport, no 60s lwt has ever been able to do much better than 8 x 500m @ 1:37 (3:30 rest) free rate.

You are 31 years old, 220 lbs.?

I suspect that 30-year-old heavyweights, like a younger Graham Benton, have done 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:21.

ranger

[macroth]

500m, 1:37 @ 27 spm, is about 44 strokes.

11 MPS

So to train for a 2K, 1:37 @ 27 spm, I might want to do a huge number of these 44 stroke intervals, just to get used to the cadence.

Rest time is not very relevant.

ranger

Sure it is. The physical demands and the manner in which you "get used to the cadence" are dramatically different if you rest 1:00 or 5:00.

Sure.

So what?

You do what you can do.

You work as hard as you can.

Rest for 5:00, if you need to.

Then 4:00.

Then 3:00.

Then 2:00.

Whatever.

You do what you can do.

You work as hard as you can.

ranger

So you have to track this sort of progression to know when you're within reach of a 2K 1:37@27spm, right? Obviously if you keep having to rest 2+ minutes, you probably aren't ready for a straight 2K at that pace/rate. And if you don't keep an eye on how much you're resting, how can you know?

Any plans to do the same as you get ready for your FM? It's the same basic principle, after all (rest less, row more). I would have thought that racing your training is kosher at this stage, with timed pieces and racing coming up.

[ranger]

I would have thought that racing your training is kosher at this stage, with timed pieces and racing coming up.

Yes, it is.

Thanks for reminding me.



I am working on it.

The mind is an unruly beast, no?

The body is worse.



ranger

[ranger]

I suspect that 20 x 500, paddle a 500m in between, 1:37 @ 27 spm (14.3 SPI), predicts a 6:28/1:37 2K.

So that might be a goal to work toward over the next few weeks.

For a 60s lwt, 500s at 1:37 is indeed racing your training.

1:37 is WR - 3.5 pace.

Doing these 500s at 27 spm then just makes the workout ridiculously good.

And doing 20 reps makes it cosmic, otherworldly.

ranger

[macroth]

Don't we need to keep a little perspective here?

In the history of the sport, no 60s lwt has ever been able to do much better than 8 x 500m @ 1:37 (3:30 rest) free rate.

You are 31 years old, 220 lbs.?

I suspect that 30-year-old heavyweights, like a younger Graham Benton, have done 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:21.

ranger

My age, weight, and performances are indeed fascinating in their own respect , but they have no bearing on how you conduct your own training, do they? We're just chatting about your training. My comments would be no different if I was a 70 year old lwt woman.

Why don't we wait to see what you do as a 60 year old lightweight before talking about historical perspective? But first things first, you have a "soft" 55s lwt world record to beat.

[ranger]

My age, weight, and performances are indeed fascinating in their own respect , but they have no bearing on how you conduct your own training, do they? We're just chatting about your training.

Sure.

I love to chat about training.

But you need to know what you are talking about.

Have you tried 8 x 500m, 1:21 @ 27 spm (24.4 SPI)?

If you have, I don't think you would care about the rest period, either.

At least to start off.

ranger

[macroth]

I suspect that 20 x 500, paddle a 500m in between, 1:37 @ 27 spm (14.3 SPI), predicts a 6:28/1:37 2K.

So that might be a goal to work toward over the next few weeks.

(unreasonable bits removed)

ranger

Sounds reasonable to me.

[ranger]

Sounds reasonable to me.

How would you know?

Do you know what you are talking about?

And if you don't know what you are talking about, why would anyone care what sounds reasonable to you?

ranger

[ranger]

Obviously if you keep having to rest 2+ minutes, you probably aren't ready for a straight 2K at that pace/rate.

Race pace 500s at 27 spm?

Are you kidding me?

Balderdash.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Have you ever done 8 x 500m, 1:38 @ 27 spm (3:30 rest)?

For you, those are race pace 500m at 27 spm.

Give it a try--and report back.

ranger

[macroth]

My age, weight, and performances are indeed fascinating in their own respect , but they have no bearing on how you conduct your own training, do they? We're just chatting about your training.

Sure.

I love to chat about training.

But you need to know what you are talking about.

Have you tried 8 x 500m, 1:21 @ 27 spm?

If you have, I don't think you would care about the rest period, either.

At least to start off.

ranger

Why would I try that? I have never done a 500m at 1:21. What a strange question.

I have, however, rowed several sub 6:30 2Ks in the past (lwt and hwt), so I have an idea of what you're working on for early september.


If I tried to row 8x500m, 1:21@27spm with a goal of rowing a 2K, 1:21@27spm, I would care A LOT about the rest period very soon, and certainly if I were only a few weeks from rowing that 2K.

[macroth]

Obviously if you keep having to rest 2+ minutes, you probably aren't ready for a straight 2K at that pace/rate.

Race pace 500s at 27 spm?

Are you kidding me?

Balderdash.

You don't know what you are talking about.

ranger

Race pace AND RATE 500s, remember? You said you were aiming for 2k at 1:37/500m and 27 spm. You don't believe in trading pace for rate anyway, so I wouldn't expect you to row that 6:28 2K at anything less than 13 SPI, right?

But anyway, let us know when you've actually done a few of those with whatever rest you want.