Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Late in the day Ranger's mind often races with great thoughts. He came up with two brilliant examples of doublethink, nice companions to the familiar party slogans

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

repeated failure predicts only one thing: success

repeated success predicts failure

repeated failure means you've failed.

[aharmer]

Isn't it truly amazing that the Fraud calls out Mike for cropping a photo of a workout he posted? Hey Fraud, why don't you start posting a few screenshots of workout including HR and rate, then you can start being an asshole to others. Until then you're nothing more than an old liar. Not a great erger, not a WR holder, nothing but an old liar. Let's see some proof of your greatness Fraud.

[chgoss]

In training (and most other things, too), repeated failure predicts only one thing: success.
It is repeated success that predicts failure, especially in training.

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Examples? (other than yourself)

[whp4]

In training (and most other things, too), repeated failure predicts only one thing: success.
It is repeated success that predicts failure, especially in training.

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Examples? (other than yourself)

With such brilliant logic on tap, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to learn that ranger is a member of that elite group, the birfers...

[hjs]

And you cannot do, are not now doing, and will never do 20 reps at 1:34 r32 unless you take the better part of a week to complete the session. Why do you persist in claiming that you're going to do things you have no capacity to do?

Yea, I am certainly not doing 20 x 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI), right now.

But that's the goal over the next three months.

8 reps predicts 6:28.

20 reps predicts 6:16.

50 strokes per rep, on the money.

ranger

The question for you is, what does 2 reps predict

[ranger]

There's certainly something egregious about failure to attempt in the first place

Really?

Amazing.

Then we are _very_ different.

I don't like to do much of anything that I know I can succeed at.

If you want to break the 55s hwt WR, Nav, I would get after trying those 60min rows @ 1:44.

When you succeed with one, you'll succeed with the other.

But if you do this, I expect that you would fail--over, and over, and over, and over, and over--for quite a while.

If you don't risk the failure, you don't have a chance for success.

ranger

[PaulH]

There's certainly something egregious about failure to attempt in the first place

Really?

Amazing.

Then we are _very_ different.

I don't like to do much of anything that I know I can succeed at.

If you want to break the 55s hwt WR, Nav, I would get after trying those 60min rows @ 1:44.

When you succeed with one, you'll succeed with the other.

But if you do this, I expect that you would fail--over, and over, and over, and over, and over--for quite a while.

If you don't risk the failure, you don't have a chance for success.

ranger

Nav's point isn't that you fail to achieve, but that you fail to try. On average I'd guess you've made a statement along the lines of "I will row X at Y" once a week (if not more) for the last 5 years. In that time you've done a modest number of 2Ks, and almost none of the other things you've said you *will* do. If you tried to do them and failed then people here might suggest that you lower your sights a little, but that's about all. It appears, however, that you haven't even tried to do them.

[lancs]

I'm certain you'll deliver your 2k as promised on September 1, despite your dire track record on posting promised rows over the past 6 years or so. I'm genuinely excited at the prospect of seeing a screenshot of your 6:28.

What's the plan for the row? When can we expect photos?

[ranger]

You fell into my trap.... This is what I hoped you'd say... "13 -14 spi" every workout; all the time.
You cannot erg a 5k at 19 spm and 13-14 spi. It is your "goal" meaning: "I wish I could. I tis my long term target and will remain as such forever." If your answer were complete you'd say: "I never erg 5k w/o a break. If I did I wouldn't post it because it would show how pedestrian my times are at endurance distances"

Sorry, but I am a distance expert. I do just fine at long distances. What is your pb for 60min? For a FM? For 100K?

I have been rowing at 13-14K in training for years now.

In 2006, I rowed a 6:29.7 2K @ 12 SPI, without even preparing for it.

Now that I have the hang of low drag, I will race at 13 SPI.

Mike,

You can't row comfortably at 13 SPI becasue you never train at 13 SPI.

Why don't you train at 13 SPI?

Because you are afraid of failure.

It you are a runner, it is not successful training to go for a walk.

You are not even running.

Continuous rowing only counts as good training if you are rowing well.

For a lightweight, 13 SPI is rowing well.

So!

Put it on 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) and row.

Keep the drag low (118 df.).

You'll find out how good your endurance is.

Nil.

You'll take a few strokes and your HR will spike to the roof.

Your arms and legs will ache.

Then you'll give up.

I suspect that you can't do 2K, 1:48 @ 21 spm.

So, where it counts in rowing, you don't have any endurance at all.

Here's a challenge:

Can you get to a FM, 1:48 @ 21 spm?

That's what I am working toward.

But then again, I'm not afraid of failing.

If your goals are high, repeated success in training only predicts one thing: failure.

If your goals are high, the only thing that predicts success is repeated failure.

ranger

[ranger]

I'm certain you'll deliver your 2k as promised on September 1, despite your dire track record on posting promised rows over the past 6 years or so. I'm genuinely excited at the prospect of seeing a screenshot of your 6:28.

What's the plan for the row? When can we expect photos?

Sure, I am excited about my rowing.

But I'm not sure why _you_ are.

It mine, not yours.

I'm not sure why you would have a personal stake in _my_ rowing at all, other than to wish me well.

How is _your_ rowing coming?

Are you excited about it?

Can you still pull under 6:30 as a lightweight, or is that now a thing of the past?

Are you racing at BIRC?

I am now entered.

Hotel and flights are booked.

See you there?

ranger

[lancs]

Sure, I am excited about my rowing.

But I'm not sure why _you_ are.

Not sure why *I'm* excited?! Really? Well, we're about to witness a series of ground-breaking rows from the all-time greatest erger ever to grace the planet. That's why I'm excited. I can hardly sleep at night. Knowing that you will be, finally, fully trained this year allows us your fans to at last see your true potential, now that you row well at low drag.

Hard not to get excited really...

[ranger]

BTW, in the Wolverine Plan, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) is Level 4 pace and rate for a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure, I am excited about my rowing.

But I'm not sure why _you_ are.

Not sure why *I'm* excited?! Really? Well, we're about to witness a series of ground-breaking rows from the all-time greatest erger ever to grace the planet. That's why I'm excited. I can hardly sleep at night. Knowing that you will be, finally, fully trained this year allows us your fans to at last see your true potential, now that you row well at low drag.

Hard not to get excited really...

To each his own, I guess.

If I were you, I would attend primarily to my own rowing.

Sure, what others do is interesting, but pretty remote, given day to day training.

Their business, not mine.

ranger

[lancs]

How is _your_ rowing coming?

Are you excited about it?

Can you still pull under 6:30 as a lightweight, or is that now a thing of the past?

Are you racing at BIRC?

Thanks for asking. I'm very pleased with how my training's now progressing after enforced break from any kind of training at all for a year or so. I've got my standard session of 12k @22 down to a comfortable 1:55 pace now. I was doing these at 1:48-1:49 when pulling 6:26 2ks so some way to go yet. As for lwt, not yet sure as Mrs L thinks I'm too gaunt as a skinny but I'm only at 80kg or so now and the last 5kg was easy to shift last time. I'm only able to train 3 or 4 times a week now so I guess my ambitions are a bit more limited than they previously were.

I'll definitely be racing at BIRC and I'll definitely be there to see your 6:20...

[mikvan52]

You fell into my trap.... This is what I hoped you'd say... "13 -14 spi" every workout; all the time.
You cannot erg a 5k at 19 spm and 13-14 spi. It is your "goal" meaning: "I wish I could. It is my long term target and will remain as such forever." If your answer were complete you'd say: "I never erg 5k w/o a break. If I did I wouldn't post it because it would show how pedestrian my times are at endurance distances"

Sorry, but I am a distance expert. I do just fine at long distances.

I have been rowing at 13-14K in training for years now.

In 2006, I rowed a ....

Now that I have the hang of low drag, I will ....



It you are a runner, it is not successful training to go for a walk.

You are not even running.

Continuous rowing only counts as good training if you are rowing well.

For a lightweight, 13 SPI is rowing well.

So!

.... your endurance is.

Nil.





Can you get to a FM, 1:48 @ 21 spm?

That's what I am working toward.

....
If your goals are high, repeated success in training only predicts one thing: failure.

If your goals are high, the only thing that predicts success is repeated failure.

I've excised most of the "stuff" where you speak of me..

This is YOUR thread about YOUR training

This year is known as 2010... not 2006!
You do not row any uninterrupted distance work at 13 spi...
Indeed when I've challenged you to 5k you "won't bite"... because you are unable to sustain pace except in short bursts...
I am currently faster than you at 5k and beyond... ***Note the word "faster". Ever heard of that?
speed is not equal to spm/watts... (!) I thought I'd review that for you
My pace per 500m at distances 5k and beyond are faster than yours.

Would you please elaborate on:

I am a distance expert. I do just fine at long distances.

paricularly the
"I do" part.

Rich: we all know you "RWB" your distance workouts... otherwise there would be some phantabulous IND_Vs posted in the rankings for R.Cureton...
Funny: You do not have a single one posted since C2 introduced that function on the rankings.
You, my friend, are a "phoney - "one-trick" - pony" : you have a great glory-weight 2k... that's all.

Give it a rest.

One last thing:
on your: "I(f) you are a runner, it is not successful training to go for a walk."
This is wrong... When I was a 2:26 marathoner I walked as part of my regular training.
Currently, on off days, I go for a long walk.

Now: Read my signature below. Does my training get results or not? You be the judge.

In the last two years I have rowed nine 1k races in National Competition facing 40-50 contestants.... "NINE"
Have I ever been beaten in even one of them?...