Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Caviston is clearly a case of someone who has refocused on other priorities

No, that doesn't account for his slowing down at all.

Mike remained entirely dedicated to his rowing and racing for at least five years after he pulled the 40s lwt WR at 6:18.

But in just one year, his times fell off to 6:21.

In another year, his times fell off to 6:24.

In another year, his times fell off to 6:26.

And so forth.

At first, he struggled to win.

Then he didn't win.

Then he didn't 'even qualify for WIRC.

This is just decline with age, Mike, which follows as a matter of course if you just concentrate on your fitness as you age, without getting more efficient and effective as a rower.

During these years, Mike C. was still at Michigan.

He wasn't yet on the West coast in his new job.

Sure, he probably has changed his focus now.

Who wouldn't?

We all are highly motivated to change a focus if we are no longer successful.

You can only be discouraged so long.

Then you quit.

ranger

[ranger]

The only reason RIch talks about him is because he wishes he could be as tough on the erg as Caviston once was.

My lwt 6:28 at just shy of 53 is the full equivalent of Mike C.'s 6:18 at 40.

Both were WRs, my 6:28, my third straight WR row.

I pulled that 6:28 as a complete novice--at max drag, hauling anchor with my back, neglecting my arms and dragging my legs behind.

I had never stepped in a boat.

I didn't know how to row.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

In rowing, technique makes a difference.

Back in 2003, I rowed poorly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.)

ranger

[macroth]

Caviston is clearly a case of someone who has refocused on other priorities

No, [[various lies about Caviston.]]

ranger

Liar.

[ranger]

I witnessed a Caviston Siebach contest at CRASH-Bs...great stuff!.... funny, Cureton wasn't there... there must have been a snow flake floating in the air.

in 2006?

Sure, i was.

I qualified as a heavyweight.

I had just pulled 6:29.7 at the Baltimore Burn, without even preparing for it.

At the Bs, I rowed as a heavyweight with a lightweight stamp.

Over the two weeks between Baltimore and Boston, I made weight.

I wasn't in the race with Caviston and Seibach because I was 55 years old.

Mike C. was 44.

In that race, Mike C. pulled 6:27.1, less than a second better than the 6:28 I pulled at BIRC 2003, when I was just shy of 53 years old.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Lest we forget: in 2006 you finished 11th in the 55-59 HW race with a 7:04. You were 31 seconds off the pace. Your time would have been 6th in the LW race, which IIRC you were ruled ineligible to join since you'd qualified/entered as a HW. As a putative LW you were some 23 seconds behind that winning time, meaning that fifteen total 55-59 rowers at the venue beat you like a drum.

[hjs]

I witnessed a Caviston Siebach contest at CRASH-Bs...great stuff!.... funny, Cureton wasn't there... there must have been a snow flake floating in the air.

in 2006?

Sure, i was.

I qualified as a heavyweight.

I had just pulled 6:29.7 at the Baltimore Burn, without even preparing for it.

At the Bs, I rowed as a heavyweight with a lightweight stamp.

Over the two weeks between Baltimore and Boston, I made weight.

I wasn't in the race with Caviston and Seibach because I was 55 years old.

Mike C. was 44.

In that race, Mike C. pulled 6:27.1, less than a second better than the 6:28 I pulled at BIRC 2003, when I was just shy of 53 years old.

ranger

Liar you rowed in the 75 plus cat.............



Results of Event: Veteran Men 'B' (55-59, Heavyweight)
Place Rower Organization Age Final
1 OToole,Larry Gentle Giant Rowing 55 6:33.40
2 Low,Martyn Team GB 56 6:34.80
3 Dreissigacker,Dick Motley Rowing Club 58 6:44.80
4 Falk,Peter Warthogs Rowing Club 55 6:45.60
5 Sutter,Fran Malta Boat Club 55 6:49.00
6 Klinkow,Peter Vancouver Rowing Club 57 6:52.40
7 Henry,Dickinson Unaffiliated 58 6:56.30
8 Pisinski,Victor Unaffiliated 56 6:59.60
9 Dargin,Ian Saquish Rowing Club 59 7:00.80
10 Olson,Bill Unaffiliated 55 7:04.10
11 Cureton,Rich Satellite Qualifier 55 7:04.30
12 Raymond,Peter Sledgehammer Rowing Club 59 7:05.70
13 Haase,Stephen Baltimore Rowing Club 59 7:05.70
14 Gluckman,Larry Trinity College Crew 59 7:05.90



http://www.crash-b.org/web/wp-content/u ... 2-hwt.html

[ranger]

Liar you rowed in the 75 plus cat.............

As I said, I rowed as a heavyweight--with a lightweight stamp.

I made weight, for purposes of the 55s lwt WR.

My intention, if I had succeeded, was to win the 55s hwt hammer and break the 55s lwt WR--simultaneously.

ranger

[hjs]

Liar you rowed in the 75 plus cat.............

As I said, I rowed as a heavyweight--with a lightweight stamp.

I made weight, for purposes of the 55s lwt WR.

My intention, if I had succeeded, was to win the 55s hwt hammer and break the 55s lwt WR--simultaneously.

ranger

yeah yeah, you rowed 48 seconds above you target, that´s what you did, unless you show some proof there is no reason reason to believe you. You are not a man of your word, never have been and never wil be. The results show you erging in the heavies. Simple fact!

[ranger]

yeah yeah

Indeed.

Clearly, the intention was too ambitious, given that I didn't do proper race preparation, either. I just trained through the winter regattas, doing mainly low rate rowing at high stroking powers.

Either quick weight loss or lack of race preparation, but not both.

The combination did me in.

Glycogen depletion, probably.

Here is the 6:29.7 I rowed at the Baltimore Burn two weeks before the 2006 CRASH-Bs:

http://baltimorerowing.org/regattas/res ... &year=2006

The WIRC 55s hwt qualifying time in 2006 was 6:32, so I just pulled 1:38 @ 31 spm for 1700m and then kicked in the last 300m, 1:34 @ 34 spm.

ranger

[hjs]

Indeed.

Clearly, the intention was too ambitious...........

ranger

Do you think so

The WIRC 55s hwt qualifying time in 2006 was 6:32, so I just pulled 1:38 @ 31 spm for 1700m and then kicked in the last 300m, 1:34 @ 34 spm.

ranger

You forget you where not alone, you have been witnessed, you rowed like hell to get your liftime Pb, it was an absolute max result. This 2 weeks before Boston plus you not knowing how to lose weight got you from here to 7.04 2 weeks later.
This single result will be your lifetime best, related to age.

[redzone]

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There, isn't that much simpler...

[ranger]

Lest we forget: in 2006 you finished 11th in the 55-59 HW race with a 7:04. You were 31 seconds off the pace. Your time would have been 6th in the LW race, which IIRC you were ruled ineligible to join since you'd qualified/entered as a HW. As a putative LW you were some 23 seconds behind that winning time, meaning that fifteen total 55-59 rowers at the venue beat you like a drum.

Yea, in this internet age, you are only as good as your worst moment, which someone has caught on their cell phone.

So you'd better shoot low and be safe!

Don't take any risks!

Cover up!

Cover up!

Hide!

ranger

[ranger]

you rowed like hell to get your liftime Pb

No, it wasn't my lifetime pb.

My lifetime pb is 6:27.5.

I have also rowed 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29 (and 6:30).

Sure, I rowed hard.

What you do in a 2K doesn't depend on how hard you row, it depends on your preparation.

At Baltimore in 2006, I rowed 6:29.7 at 55 without preparing for it.

And no 55-year-old, of whatever weight, rows sub-6:30 without rowing hard.

No 55s lwt has ever come anywhere near rowing 6:29.7 at a race venue.

Rocket Roy's 6:38.1 has been the best.

My goal for BIRC 2010 is to hold 1:35 and see what happens.

If I can get to 1700m in good shape, and can kick it in from there, I'll challenge Caviston's 40s lwt WR.

ranger

[macroth]

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There, isn't that much simpler...

Ah yes. Thank you for that.

[hjs]

you rowed like hell to get your liftime Pb

No, it wasn't my lifetime pb.

ranger

Indeed that's what I said, you rowed like hell to get there but failed cause you simply could not row any faster.


But it's the fall. tell us why are you not gonna pull a 2k september first?