Ranger's training thread

[NavigationHazard]

Maybe it's because (1+√5)/2 is approximately equal to 1.618, not 1.7. Except in Rangermath...

[ranger]

Maybe it's because (1+√5)/2 is approximately equal to 1.618, not 1.7. Except in Rangermath...

Close enough.

ranger

[Nosmo]

Close enough.

Just like your 130 N of peek force was close enough?

Probably was because 130N is 29.2 lbs

[whp4]

Maybe it's because (1+√5)/2 is approximately equal to 1.618, not 1.7. Except in Rangermath...

Close enough.

ranger

Ranger's also hoping 6:45 is "close enough" to 6:38 (or 6:16) that C2 will recognize him as the WR holder, and that we'll agree that he's met his target

[mikvan52]

6: (snip)You won't turn up at a race OTW this, or any other, year.

7: (snip) You are missing out on every positive aspect of rowing and competition.

http://www.usrowing.org/News_Media/Pres ... s_lKey=910

Rich: Here's a friendly "heads-up" razzing for 2011

Note the dates... Early August next year....

Are you going to hide up on Europe Lake again? Or, will you face the (country) music and go to the OK Corral

2011 is the last year for a while in which you can hide from me in a different age group.. I'll be a 60 year old in '12....
In the meantime, Rick Anderson (60) will have to 'take you down the wood shed' in Oklahoma.
https://www.sportgraphics.com/events/40 ... culler_id=

This is a photo of Rick in the bow and Kari Juurakko winning in the "F" 2x (Kari's in the photos wearing blue)
See how they don't open their backs as early as you do? They're interested in boat speed not spi..

Coming out of a possible walk-on cameo ranger visit to next year's regatta ..the Sportgraphics photos would be quite telling...

regards,
your pal,
MvB

BTW: Have you booked airfare for BIRC?

[ranger]

Close enough.

Just like your 130 N of peek force was close enough?

Probably was because 130N is 29.2 lbs

Yep.

I just sat down and pulled a couple of strokes.

I wasn't warmed up.

When I am warmed up and pulling easily at 13 SPI and 120 df., I get 130 kgF of peak force.

Try it yourself.

See what you get.

ranger

[ranger]

2011 is the last year for a while in which you can hide from me in a different age group

I am not hiding, Mike.

I am learning to row.

If you started racing seriously OTW in a 1x when you were 45 years old, you "hid" for 30 years!

Hmm.

What were you duckin'?

I didn't even step in a boat until I was 53, and even then, just as background to my erging, for a couple of months in the summer.

You started rowing when you were 18?

Hmm.

ranger

[ranger]

In the meantime, Rick Anderson (60) will have to 'take you down the wood shed' in Oklahoma.

You talk about the same three and a half people.

Again and again.

What's up?

Competition OTW must be really stiff!

The field is really deep, huh?

Heck, you seem worried about me, and I don't even know how to row yet.



Will I be disqualified if I use a paddle?

How about a 100 Merc?

ranger

[ranger]

Ranger's also hoping 6:45 is "close enough" to 6:38 (or 6:16) that C2 will recognize him as the WR holder, and that we'll agree that he's met his target

I'll now row 6:45 at 27 spm.

The goal for sharpening is 4 x 2K @ 30 spm.

ranger

[leadville]

In the meantime, Rick Anderson (60) will have to 'take you down the wood shed' in Oklahoma.

You talk about the same three and a half people.
Again and again.
What's up?
Competition OTW must be really stiff!
The field is really deep, huh?
Heck, you seem worried about me, and I don't even know how to row yet.

Will I be disqualified if I use a paddle?
How about a 100 Merc?
ranger

'Whats up' is the only way you'll mke the finals is with a 100 merc.
And as Mike and I and others have told you there are scores of scullers who compete. Unlike you, cowardboy.

[ranger]

See how they don't open their backs as early as you do?

For most 60s rowers, I suspect that the major problem is not when they open their backs but whether they use their backs (and core) at all, rather than just using them as a "brace" connecting their legs and arms.

The best young lightweights like Basalini open and close their hips (and therefore rotate their lower backs) through an arc of 90 degrees.

http://invernessrowingclub.org.uk/perso ... alini.html

BTW, Basalini seems to be using a negative ratio.

Huge drive!

.9 seconds

Then the recovery is only .8 seconds.

1.7 seconds for the stroke cycle as a whole.

ranger

[ranger]

They're interested in boat speed not spi.

If you rate down, as you do, and I am now doing, too, both OTW and OTErg, they are the same.

Trouble is: the best young rowers both row well _and_ rate up.

Lots of power per stroke.

Then, lots of strokes per minute.

Not much recovery.

ranger

[Nosmo]

Close enough.

Just like your 130 N of peek force was close enough?

Probably was because 130N is 29.2 lbs

Yep.

I just sat down and pulled a couple of strokes.

I wasn't warmed up[....]

Can your read?
Do you really mean 29.2 lbs is close enough to 130 kgF???
Because that is what your "Yep" means.

[NavigationHazard]

Muppet.

Here's Basalini when he's probably actually got his blades in the water:



The lower back is at an angle of 76 degrees, i.e. is still rocked over 14 degrees shy of vertical and towards the bow

And here he is at the absolute end of the finish, per the animation:



The lower back is at an angle of 40 degrees, i.e. rocked over 50 degrees shy of vertical and towards the bow.

It has traversed an arc of all of 36 degrees, or roughly 40% of the 90 degrees you somehow think you see. Better ask Nursie for some stronger meds; you're hallucinating again. As for his supposed ratio, if you count the drive as "blades in the water with the rower supplying meaningful propulsive force" and the recovery as "everything else," it's more like 1:1.3 or 1:1.4 depending on when you think his blades are in/out. News flash: from the point of view of propulsion, meaningful drive duration is NOT the same as "rower making movements that look to the ignorant eye like a drive."

[leadville]

See how they don't open their backs as early as you do?

-snip-

The best young lightweights like Basalini open and close their hips (and therefore rotate their lower backs) through an arc of 90 degrees.
-snip-

ranger

Dumb, dumber, and ranger.

NO THEY DON'T YOU NUMBSKULL!

Basalini isn't anywhere CLOSE to 90 degrees. Nav has pointed this out to you already, yet you continue to demonstrate your complete inability to comprehend the most basic facts.

Basalini also breaks his arms at the catch - a classic error, and one that hurts his boatspeed. He lays back too far into the bow, compressing the boat into the water and thus wasting some of his effort. No question he has a huge motor, and that motor enables him to overcome these significant technical flaws.

You, rangerboy, don't have a similar motor. Therefore when you make all the mistakes you do OTW you'll just be dead slow.