Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

What shall I do with my wimpy force curve?

Clearly, nothing.

It's perfect.

ranger

[ranger]

I'm just curious to see if you can stretch it out another year even after coming not even remotely close to any single one of your oft-stated 'targets'...

I haven't done distance trials yet, fully trained and rowing well at low drag (120 df.).

That''s coming up soon, though.

ranger

[ausrwr]

I'm glad they're coming up "soon".

So, obviously before, or "in and around" September 1st when you fail to do your 2k.

When you fail to report a time (because the time you record will be beneath you), I'll look forward to the excuses, and to you cancelling your BIRC trip.

I've little doubt you'll break the 60s LWT WR, but you won't get Roy's WR, and you sure as hell won't go anywhere near 6:16. Unless you stop at 1800 metres or so.

[leadville]

The big challenge now, given my better technique, is to train myself to rate 30 spm for 5K, both OTW and off.

OTErg, at 12 SPI, that's 1:39/16:30.

OTW, even at 20 seconds per 500m over erg paces, that's 1:59, 19:10 for the 3 miles at the Head of the Charles.

I would be delighted with that.

If some 60s rower can do better, more power to them.

Last year, Dietz won the Veterans/60s race at the Head of the Charles at 2:06 pace.

ranger

the difference between you, rangerboy, and the esteemed Jim Dietz is that Jim knows how to scull, and you don't.

You have zero chance of getting within a minute of Dietz, if you can even get into the Charles. As you've never entered that or any other sculling race, comparing what you think you could do to someone who has actually done it, when clearly you have no intention of ever matching yourself against those of us who actually race, is pointless.

You will never race on the water, as that would expose you as a fraud to all, including your own tortured self.

[redzone]

[ranger]

the difference between you, rangerboy, and the esteemed Jim Dietz is that Jim knows how to scull, and you don't

No evidence for that.

I am doing just fine with my sculling.

I can certainly paddle along at 2:06 for 3 miles.

Sure, if Jim can do 1:56, then I can't catch him.

But can he?

Even at 12 seconds above erg times, that's 1:44/17:20 for 5K on the erg, below the 60s lwt WR.

ranger

[ausrwr]

No evidence that you can't?

I'd go the other way. There's no evidence that you CAN. For three strokes, let alone three MILES. Just try racing...

And Rich, just so you're aware (as you've as usual not let knowledge or learning cloud your mind), the temperature of the water, the current, the turns, and the wind, all have a major effect on boat speed.

HOTC last year was bloody cold. Snowing, windy, and on a tight course. One of my mates rowed and won it last year. She said it was one of the coldest and hardest races she's ever done. And she is faster, better, and tougher than you could be in even your wildest and most feverish dreams.

[ranger]

the temperature of the water, the current, the turns, and the wind, all have a major effect on boat speed.

Sure.

If Jim can do 1:56 for 5K OTW in the best conditions, then I can't catch him.

ranger

[ranger]

I'd go the other way. There's no evidence that you CAN.

Sure there is.

You just don't have access to it.

ranger

[whp4]

I'd go the other way. There's no evidence that you CAN.

Sure there is.

You just don't have access to it.

ranger

Oh really? What is the nature of this evidence, and how did you obtain it without racing your training? Did your mommy say that she was sure you would someday amount to something?

[hjs]

I'd go the other way. There's no evidence that you CAN.

Sure there is.

You just don't have access to it.

ranger

hahahaha If you had Proof you would rent airtime around the 20.00 O clock news and shout it out.


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[Nosmo]

When's all this nonsense going to end? I mean really, when is it? When you pull another respectable 6:40something this season after blowing up a few times will all this end? I'm just curious to see if you can stretch it out another year even after coming not even remotely close to any single one of your oft-stated 'targets'...

It will end when he stops getting responses to it.
He will drag it out another year. He has dragged it out for years now and there is no evidence he will stop.

When everyone ignores him he will go away. But he will come back from time to time to try once again to hook people in to responding.

[ranger]

One of my mates rowed and won it last year. She said it was one of the coldest and hardest races she's ever done. And she is faster, better, and tougher than you could be in even your wildest and most feverish dreams.

Yea, I'm sure you'll both be at the HOCR when you are 60, lookin' for 2:00 pace.

See ya then!

ranger

[ranger]

He will drag it out another year.

Rowing?

And talking about it here?

Heck, why just one more year?

My intention is to train and race, both OTW and off, for the next 30 years.

I have just learned to row!

Even with 30 years to go, I still probably won't have time to row as long as folks like Leadville and Mike VB have already rowed.

ranger

[mikvan52]

When's all this nonsense going to end? (snip)

It will end when he stops getting responses to it.
He will drag it out another year. He has dragged it out for years now and there is no evidence he will stop.

When everyone ignores him he will go away. But he will come back from time to time to try once again to hook people in to responding.

The truth of the matter is that none of us want this to end... it's a soap opera.

This is one of those "News of the weird" type of situations... who really cares how much truth there is?

There's no evidence that valuable training tips have ever come from our hero. What we have is a gifted athlete who is psychologically suited to beating himself to death on a piece of gym equipment to get close to an obscure WR (for his age and weight) times for 2k... That is all. It isn't easy to do. ranger deserves this recognition for a weird job well done...

However, employing the negative of TSO's phraseology: We will notsee anything "unprecedented"... to the extent of a 10 second drop(or greater) in a WR time for 2k.. IOW: a 6:16 is far, far out of the question. (and I think we all know that)

Going forward:
I am not going to ask for verification of any of his workouts any longer as Rich has clearly established a pattern of non-compliance with all requests for details of workouts.

Rich will probably beat the existing 6:42 mark for 60-64 lwts... It will take until March of 2011. That will be a great achievement. It will not be stupendous. WRs at 2k on the erg are lowered yearly by small margins. If he procrastinates another couple of years he will miss this WR opportunity... much like he missed besting Roy Brook in the 55-59 lights.

Don't expect any ranger records in the meantime. He's above race weight and floundering this late summer.

Looking to the distant future:
It will be interesting if C2 eventually changes their state of the art design of their machine to eliminate the value of anchor hauling... Rich's kind of form will then perforce disappear from the indoor circuit as the time bonus of bad form will be gone.

I would love to sit side-by-side with ranger with each of our erg on slides and go for a hard 5k.... He wouldn't stand a chance... His erg would crash against the front stops over and over...
This is yet another indication as to why I am approx. 10 sec/500m pace faster than Rich OTW while he is 1 sec/500 faster than me per 500 of a 2k on the erg...