Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Rich "ranger" Cureton:

This warning:



"Reader beware: Check definitions of what ranger says with good sources here on the C2 website, wikipedia, pubmed, etc.:
Accepted definitions of common elements of exercise physiology have routinely been ignored by Richard Cureton (ranger).It is a widely held opinion that it is dangerous to take his advice or to assume that we are getting an accurate or complete impression of what his training really is by reading this thread.

Attempts by readers to reign in these elements of deceit and poor understanding have failed for many years in this and other threads. There is no point in going over old ground again and again.

We wish that every rower reaches his or her goals but to parade accounts of fictitious progress toward wild imaginings doesn't do anyone any good. This has gone on for years and needs to be 'put to bed'. "

... is not censorship. It is an opinion that readers can take under equal advisement to what you write here.

I, for one, no longer have any interest in discussing anything here because we do no use the same definitions or concepts in what is brought up over and over.

Henry and others are correct : What you propound endlessly is at best reckless but potentially dangerous advice. Whether it be weight cutting, over training, technique, periodization of training, etc.., I see little that is of any use to anyone.
As for your ersatz goals: We've all waited for years and years to see the 6:28 and the 6:16... Dougie has a point : JFDI ! Now that you are closing in on 60, forget about going lightweight +++===> JFDI !
Hard sharpen under your own choice of what "hard sharpening" actually is (I'd call it sharpening as sharpening is not all the eff-ing hard) and JFDI !

Did I say JFDI ?

You should be proud of your 6:4x's at 2k on the erg.... That's all that's left for any 60 year old of your stature...
No disgrace there...

We all know you very well, Rich: You won't follow this advice... The warning in orange is for those who have no experience in listening to what you say... so, put away your Bible and shelve your charges of censorship...

Be well. You used to be a WR holder... That's quite an achievement ot be proud of.

[jliddil]

As the Bible tells us, if you listen to them, by inverting values, what is naturally good vs. bad, the meek (tired, sick, disabled, mistaken, etc.) will indeed inherit the earth.ranger

The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing
Frank Zappa

Some take the bible
For what it's worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the Earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought New Jersey last week
'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin'

Is Hare Rama really wrong
If you wander around
With a napkin on
With a bell on a stick
An' your hair is all gone . . .
(The geek shall inherit nothin')

You say yer life's a bum deal
'N yer up against the wall . . .
Well, people, you ain't even got no kinda
Deal at all
'Cause what they do
In Washington
They just takes care of NUMBER ONE
An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU
You ain't even NUMBER TWO

Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The shit they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'
(So whaddya do? Hey!)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham . . .
They're all a waste of time
'N it's your ass that's on the line
(IT'S YOUR ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
'N when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip . . .
SOME TAKE THE BIBLE . . .
(Aw gimme a half a dozen for the hotel room

[ranger]

I am now doing a _very_ relaxed 1:43 @ 27 spm (12 SPI) at top-end UT1--good OTW technique: full slide, 120 df., relaxed shoulders and big legs at the catch, good finish.

So!

Repeat 2Ks at 1:43 might now be in order, building up to as many as I can do.

10 x 2K would be "Zatopek 2Ks."

That would be ideal.

Back in 2003, I did 80 x 250, 40 x 500m, and 20 x 1K, which are also Zatopek workouts.

ranger

[ranger]

we do no use the same definitions or concepts in what is brought up over and over.

Sure we do.

Try this one.

You tested your anaerobic threshold scientifically in the lab and found that it was about 145 bpm.

Now.

Row a 60min trial and note what your heart rate rides along at, steady state, in the central 30min of the row.

What do you get?

ranger

[ranger]

Now that you are closing in on 60, forget about going lightweight

"Going lightweight'?

I am a lightweight right now.

No need to lose any weight at all.

When I do distance trials this fall, I will do them IND_V and enter the results in the lightweight rankings.

My guess is that these results will best your lightweight times by about 8 seconds per 500m--across the board--even though I am two years older than you are.

ranger

[ranger]

... is not censorship

On the contrary.

It's the worst sort of censorship, a defense of training that leads to poor results with an arbitrary dismissal of training that leads to better results.

Wretched stuff, Mike.

Time to wake up and get with the program.

ranger

[JimR]

When I do distance trials this fall, I will do them IND_V and enter the results in the lightweight rankings.

Would it be possible for you to come up with some new material ... repeating the stuff from 2009, 2008, 2007, etc. is kind of boring.

It is like watching the same episode of the twilight zone ... over and over and over ...

JimR

[ranger]

From leadville's _The Art of Sculling_:

age: An oft-cited but rarely good reason for poor and slow sculling.



Nonetheless, at the Head of the Charles, Mike VB is 15 seconds per 500m slower than the best young lightweights.

Why does Mike row so poorly and slowly?

ranger

[ranger]

When I do distance trials this fall, I will do them IND_V and enter the results in the lightweight rankings.

Would it be possible for you to come up with some new material ... repeating the stuff from 2009, 2008, 2007, etc. is kind of boring.JimR

Yep, what others are doing in their training is _very_ boring.

It's exciting for those who are doing it, though.

Rowing is repetitive.

Training is repetitive.

The combination is a discipline, not a dramatic performance.

The nature of the beast, I'm afraid.

It you want variety and excitement, get some popcorn and beer and watch " The Housewives of New Jersey."

That might be more to your liking.

Trying to make high entertainment out of the day-to-day training of others is just obtuse, misguided.

ranger

[JimR]

When I do distance trials this fall, I will do them IND_V and enter the results in the lightweight rankings.

Would it be possible for you to come up with some new material ... repeating the stuff from 2009, 2008, 2007, etc. is kind of boring.JimR

Yep, what others are doing in their training is _very_ boring.

It's exciting for those who are doing it, though.

Rowing is repetitive.

Training is repetitive.

The combination is a discipline, not a dramatic performance.

The nature of the beast, I'm afraid.

It you want variety and excitement, get some popcorn and beer and watch " The Housewives of New Jersey."

That might be more to your liking.

Trying to make high entertainment out of the day-to-day training of others is just obtuse, misguided.

ranger

No ... others are writing interesting things about their training ... and how it is incrementally improving day to day. Take Mike VB for one example and leadville for another.

You on the other hand write the same tired stuff and don't improve. A few years back you were the WR holder ... now you are bragging about missing by only 20 seconds while predicting you will lower it by 25 seconds. And ramping up just like last year, and the year before and the one before that.

I will now write a poem that is the equavalent of your results ...

Roses are red,
and they will be red,
unless they are red,
my roses are the best red.

Feel free to copy and paste as you see fit ... it is as good a description of your training as you have ever written.

JimR

[lancs]

I am now doing a _very_ relaxed 1:43 @ 27 spm (12 SPI) at top-end UT1

No, you're not.

What you're doing is occasional bursts of 1:43 with enough breaks to keep your HR at what 'feels' like it might be 'UT1', even though you've no idea whatsoever what your actual UT1 training band is as you've not been properly tested. An indication to you of this statement of fact is that you are unable to get much past, oh around 3k at 1:43 pace without taking one of those breaks you've grown so fond of.

As has been mentioned before, it's important to point out your lies to anyone relatively new reading your never-ending bullshit, lest they may actually believe it...

[ranger]

10K OTW this afternoon, after 15K this morning on the erg.

Stiff south sidewind on Europe Lake.

Challenging.

ranger

[leadville]

From leadville's _The Art of Sculling_:

age: An oft-cited but rarely good reason for poor and slow sculling.



Nonetheless, at the Head of the Charles, Mike VB is 15 seconds per 500m slower than the best young lightweights.

Why does Mike row so poorly and slowly?

ranger

rangerboy - 'slow' is relative. Mike is FAST - because he sculls well and trains intelligently. In his case, his speed is not SLOW; 1k at 3"40 is damn fast, and if you knew anything about sculling, you'd know that.

He doesn't cite age as an excuse, merely as a fact. As anyone who knows anything about physiology does.

don't take quotes out of context.

[Nosmo]

Compleet and utter nonsens. You have not seen 190 in many years................... and will never ever will again

Anyone with half a brain can see that what Ranger said is complete nonsense in that post. He did another nonsensical post just above this about his 60 minute row. Utterly lost in his own mind...why do we bother reading such? I keep returning to see what others are saying myself as opposed to whatever Ranger might say.

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

I really disagree. Look what happened last year. People stopped responding and Ranger went away. He did post to his blog but even stopped writing there when people stopped responding. He came back in the fall.
Ranger seeks attention. If he doesn't get here he will go somewhere else to find it.
I think your concern about some newby is unwarranted. Few people are that dumb. If you are really worried just shoot them a pm and ignore the thread.

[ranger]

Mike is FAST

My reference was to the erg.

No, 3:16 for 1K on the erg is not at all fast.

It's slow as molasses.

Rowing like shit, I have done the first 1K of a 2K several times in 3:12.

On the erg, my goal for 1K now is 3:00.

I am two years older than Mike.

I am also a lightweight.

ranger