Ranger's training thread

[Flipper21]

NO matter any justification of this thread, it is truly one of the saddest I have ever encountered. Folk who should know better obviously don't and shame on them.

Delete this thread and delete the ranger forum per se. The man is obviously unwell and this forum perpetuates this by allowing the ILL to continue to post. In the name of reason stop it and for those who have an issue with their own ego..... time to look in the mirror.

Kill the thread.. kill the ranger threads.. FULL stop

[ranger]

Kill the thread.

Sure.

You could kill the thread now.

For many reasons.

But it would be more dramatic (and telling) to kill the thread after I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60.

Then the interests of this forum would be clear.

ranger

[ranger]

I read leadville's book on the art of sculling.

Doesn't Joe know that sports are not arts?

Anyway.

Nice book, but I didn't really encounter anything that was new to me.

There's that difficulty again:

Easy to say; hard to do.

ranger

[mikvan52]

FULL stop

Good idea.

[hjs]

Compleet and utter nonsens. You have not seen 190 in many years................... and will never ever will again

Anyone with half a brain can see that what Ranger said is complete nonsense in that post. He did another nonsensical post just above this about his 60 minute row. Utterly lost in his own mind...why do we bother reading such? I keep returning to see what others are saying myself as opposed to whatever Ranger might say.

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

[mikvan52]

Compleet and utter nonsens. You have not seen 190 in many years................... and will never ever will again

Anyone with half a brain can see that what Ranger said is complete nonsense in that post. He did another nonsensical post just above this about his 60 minute row. Utterly lost in his own mind...why do we bother reading such? I keep returning to see what others are saying myself as opposed to whatever Ranger might say.

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

Henry has a good point, too.

Perhaps if we had a standard post to reply to his dis-information:

"Reader beware: Check definitions of what ranger says with good sources here on the C2 website, wikipedia, pubmed, etc.:
Accepted definitions of common elements of exercise physiology have routinely been ignored by Richard Cureton (ranger).It is a widely held opinion that it is dangerous to take his advice or to assume that we are getting an accurate or complete impression of what his training really is by reading this thread.

Attempts by readers to reign in these elements of deceit and poor understanding have failed for many years in this and other threads. There is no point in going over old ground again and again.

We wish that every rower reaches his or her goals but to parade accounts of fictitious progress toward wild imaginings doesn't do anyone any good. This has gone on for years and needs to be 'put to bed'. "

I suggest we reference this post (or an edited version of it) and give this whole thing a rest.

~ respectfully
Mike van Beuren
rowing coach and active rower

[ranger]

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

Yea, newbies will certainly be interested in how they can train to row 20 seconds off of current standards in their age and weight divison rather than how they can train be a leader, or row 20 seconds beyond those standards.

I guess it is just a sign of the times.

We all think of ourselves as losers and therefore prefer to train that way.

Then at least we have each other to commiserate with in our misery.

"I am shit and I'll always be shit and I live in a shithouse world."

Censorship of alternative views then follows as a matter of course in modern police states.

The forum police are especially attracted to this thread, as we should expect.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike van Beuren
rowing coach and active rower

Sure.

But slow as molasses on the erg, and getting slower every year.

Fully trained and rowing well, as I will be this next year, I'll now beat Mike by 30 seconds over 2K on the erg.

If Mike is so informed about training for rowing and exercise physiology, why is he so slow?

Why is his training on the erg so ineffective?

ranger

[ranger]

Perhaps if we had a standard post to reply to his dis-information:

"Reader beware: Check definitions of what ranger says with good sources here on the C2 website, wikipedia, pubmed, etc.:
Accepted definitions of common elements of exercise physiology have routinely been ignored by Richard Cureton (ranger).It is a widely held opinion that it is dangerous to take his advice or to assume that we are getting an accurate or complete impression of what his training really is by reading this thread.

Attempts by readers to reign in these elements of deceit and poor understanding have failed for many years in this and other threads. There is no point in going over old ground again and again.

We wish that every rower reaches his or her goals but to parade accounts of fictitious progress toward wild imaginings doesn't do anyone any good. This has gone on for years and needs to be 'put to bed'. "

I suggest we reference this post (or an edited version of it) and give this whole thing a rest.

This is just baseless censorship by the lame.

So it goes.

As the Bible tells us, if you listen to them, by inverting values, what is naturally good vs. bad, the meek (tired, sick, disabled, mistaken, etc.) will indeed inherit the earth.

Hospitals are our new castles and cathedrals; doctors, our new kings and gods.

ranger

[Citroen]

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

Yea, newbies will certainly be interested in how they can train to row 20 seconds off of current standards in their age and weight divison rather than how they can train be a leader, or row 20 seconds beyond those standards.

The only way you'll get 20 seconds faster than the 50-59 (or 55-59) heavywight age group is to follow the Dan Staite school of coaching and drug abuse. If you're not taking EPO you're never going to get that 1:34 split for six and a quarter minutes.

[ranger]

you're never going to get that 1:34 split for six and a quarter minutes.

Or, at least, so you (dearly) hope.



Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, I am right on track to do just that.

ranger

[Citroen]

you're never going to get that 1:34 split for six and a quarter minutes.

Or, at least, so you (dearly) hope.



Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, I am right on track to do just that.

ranger

Go on then, post a video and/or a PM4 screen shot to prove it.
It's only going to take you from now until 9:00am to do that.

[hjs]

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

Yea, newbies will certainly be interested in how they can train to row 20 seconds off of current standards in their age and weight divison rather than how they can train be a leader, or row 20 seconds beyond those standards.

The only way you'll get 20 seconds faster than the 50-59 (or 55-59) heavywight age group is to follow the Dan Staite school of coaching and drug abuse. If you're not taking EPO you're never going to get that 1:34 split for six and a quarter minutes.

No Doug, he will not, even if he takes every drug known to man, he will never ever get anywhere near.

[hjs]

If we let Ranger on his own, he keeps posting and get's newby's in his thread who take him serious and that's even worse then it is now.

Yea, newbies will certainly be interested in how they can train to row 20 seconds off of current standards in their age and weight divison rather than how they can train be a leader, or row 20 seconds beyond those standards.

I guess it is just a sign of the times.

We all think of ourselves as losers and therefore prefer to train that way.

Then at least we have each other to commiserate with in our misery.

"I am shit and I'll always be shit and I live in a shithouse world."

Censorship of alternative views then follows as a matter of course in modern police states.

The forum police are especially attracted to this thread, as we should expect.

ranger

I don,t think that people who are aging and can,t do what they could in there prime are losers. That are only your words.
There is nothin wrong in aging gracefully an doing what you can.
Someone like you who now for 7 years in a row does not dare to show what he can, that is what I call a loser

[ranger]

The issue in training on the erg is UT1/Level 3/distance rowing--rowing well (e.g., 12 SPI for a lightweight, 15 SPI for a heavyweight) at moderate rates (23-27 spm).

Folks such as Mike VB don't do this rowing at all.

To be comfortable on a distance row, while rowing well, Mike has to drop the rate to 18 spm, and the effort is no longer Level 3 but Level 4.

When he coaches, I hope Mike doesn't have his younger rowers train in this lopsided, inadequate way.

UT1/Level 3 efforts are the most important part of solid training on the erg.

Once you are technically and physically effective, this level of training develops the physiological and technical efficiency needed for a quality 2K.

With an anaerobic threshold of 145 bpm and a maxHR of 163 bpm, Mike is physiologically crippled.

When he trains, Mike is always working on technique/effectiveness, pushing the rate down, because he can't do otherwise.

He doesn't have the aerobic capacity to work on efficiency.

He can't rate up.

As a result, no matter how effective he is, technically, he can't do any better than 15 seconds per 500m slower that younger lightweight rowers.

On the erg, younger lightweights do 5:58 for 2K.

By the time he is 60, Mike will have trouble doing 6:58.

To compensate for his lack of aerobic capacity, if Mike does an hour on the erg at 10 MPS, he has to be massively ineffective (9 SPI).

The same thing happens when Mike does a 2K.

He just lets his technique go to hell.

He doesn't row.

He just thrashes.

No wonder he doesn't think it is productive for him to row on the erg!

ranger