Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

A bit of drift doesn't matter a whit.

As you say, that's just due to heat, dehydration, etc., not increased effort.

The "steady state" is the level of effort.

It's NOT steady. What part of the word "STEADY" do you not understand. Your physiological system is working harder, you're doing more to get the same wattage output as you are approaching the point where glycogen will be depleted and you'll switch to the less efficient energy system that converts fat directly to glucose (which is what the marathon runners describe as the "wall"). That ain't "steady" in my book.

Time for you to go back to school for physiology 101

Nah.

I have never hit the wall rowing a FM.

I don't even have to drink water along the way.

You just pick a pace; hold it, and row.

When you get to the end, stop.

ranger

hahahah

A lie , you last Fm, you know the one you lost your bet with Byron with, you did hot the wall very hard, you crippeld in at 2.05/2.10 pace.

[mikvan52]

61(strokes OTW) – 503 meters in 1:47.8

So this is relevant to a 2K on the erg?

Happy to have you demonstrate how.

I see it another way:
2k on the erg is good training for sculling competition. I get out, off the line, fast and win. I had a margin of more than 26 seconds in this particular heat of this boat race

Where do you predict you would have been, virtually? On an erg in an open air pavilion feeling the zephyrs tickle the graying whiskers on your chin?

Short answer: I train for racing (with others)... you train for training (alone)

Question for you: Who have you beaten face to face in your own age group since 2006 on or off the water, 1x or erg?
Anyone of note?
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NO - ONE.


Another one:
With your perfected and patented ranger~RWB/SPI stroke... What would happen to you if you sculled 61 strokes at full pressure in the little Ms. WIndhover? Would you go under 1:50 at a stroke rate matching what I do?

Rich: To do well at the HOCR you have to stay away from the erg in the summer.... many summers... The summer of 2011 won't do it by itself... And remember, after you get inthe HOCR the first time: It's of paramount importance that you finish w/i 5% of the winning time to gain auto. entry the following year... If you don't, you'll drop way back in the draw.

BTW:
The that if someone just adds "more pressure and/or sculls at a high rate"..has been thought of many times before and does not work by itself when it comes to winning races. I confess that I tried that years ago....

I'm not blowing smoke here....

http://shoppix.zenfolio.com/p141912812/ ... 4#hecef6d4

[ranger]

What would happen to you if you sculled 61 strokes at full pressure in the little Ms. WIndhover? Would you go under 1:50 at a stroke rate matching what I do?

I have no problem revving it up in my "Windhover" to 1:45.

I am still just learning to row, though, so such things don't make much sense at the moment.

Low to moderate rates (16-26 spm) are more productive for me.

ranger

[ranger]

To do well at the HOCR you have to stay away from the erg in the summer.... many summers...

Sorry, but I don't believe this at all, and I don't know why I would listen to you as a good source of information, anyway.

If I can get in the race in 2011, I think I'll finish in the top five, while you won't.

To finish in the top five, you'll have to row 20:15/2:06.

To finish in the top five, I'll have to row 21:30/2:13.5.

ranger

[ranger]

Wonderful day-to-day erging now.

20K @ 12 SPI, full slide, 120 df., OTW technique, moderate rates (23-27 spm).

Besides sharpening before I race, that's all I ever have to do.

No need for anything else.

Great stuff for a near-60s lwt.

ranger

[ranger]

I see no reason to ever visit this page again.

Yikes.

What you do with your computer to help you row is entirely up to you.

Last year, my 2K was at WR pace, 20 seconds better than anyone my age and weight, even though I didn't even prepare for it.

Whether the training that leads to such results is interesting to you (or not) is nobody's business but your own.

Good luck with your training.

Maybe you'll be good at it some day, too.

ranger

[ranger]

Ranger has posted no verified times for anything other than the odd 2K race since 2003

True.

I had the best 2K time in my age and weight division in 2004, 2007, 2009, and 2010, and pulled sub-6:30 (as a heavyweight) in 2006.

These followed my WR row in 2003 and two sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight in 2002.

I didn't start racing until 2002.

All of these times were done at official race venues.

Really, the 2K is the only official race in indoor rowing.

Historically, most of the best indoor rowers (Eskild E., Andy Ripley, Paul Hendershott, Mike Caviston, etc.) haven't posted times for anything but 2Ks.

The other distances in the rankings are just 2K training.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Really, the 2K is the only official race in indoor rowing.

Do you have a problem with physically challenged athletes? At Crash-Bs adaptive rowers row 1000m, not 2000. BIRC and EIRC also have reduced-distance adaptive events.

Do you have a problem with junior athletes? At BIRC juniors 15 and under will row 2 minutes to 5 minutes depending on age. At EIRC, young juniors lately have been rowing 1500m, although at Rome in 2009 there was a 1-minute event for the youngest.

Do you have a problem with developmentally challenged athletes? At EIRC in Rome in 2009 they rowed 2 minutes.

And then there are the 1k races, team races, slide races, etc. that BIRC and especially EIRC may add for adult competitors.

[ranger]

I train for racing (with others)... you train for training (alone)

I haven't raced on the water yet.

No reason.

I am still learning how to row.

When I start racing on the water, I suspect I'll race just as much as you, if not more.

On the erg, where I have been racing to this point, I have probably raced 5-10 times as much as you.

So, it's hard to see how you are training to race with others, while I am just training to row alone.

ranger

[hjs]

Ranger has posted no verified times for anything other than the odd 2K race since 2003

True.

I had the best 2K time in my age and weight division in 2004, 2007, 2009, and 2010, and pulled sub-6:30 (as a heavyweight) in 2006.

These followed my WR row in 2003 and two sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight in 2002.

I didn't start racing until 2002.

All of these times were done at official race venues.

Really, the 2K is the only official race in indoor rowing.

Historically, most of the best indoor rowers (Eskild E., Andy Ripley, Paul Hendershott, Mike Caviston, etc.) haven't posted times for anything but 2Ks.

The other distances in the rankings are just 2K training.

ranger

But you did not reach you goal by more then 25 seconds at best. More often by 40/50 seconds.

Also you liftetime pb is still your very first race ever. From there you never got better, your coach did a very poor job

[ranger]

Really, the 2K is the only official race in indoor rowing.

Do you have a problem with physically challenged athletes? At Crash-Bs adaptive rowers row 1000m, not 2000. BIRC and EIRC also have reduced-distance adaptive events.

Do you have a problem with junior athletes? At BIRC juniors 15 and under will row 2 minutes to 5 minutes depending on age. At EIRC, young juniors lately have been rowing 1500m, although at Rome in 2009 there was a 1-minute event for the youngest.

Do you have a problem with developmentally challenged athletes? At EIRC in Rome in 2009 they rowed 2 minutes.

And then there are the 1k races, team races, slide races, etc. that BIRC and especially EIRC may add for adult competitors.

Carl's comment is on the race times that _I_ have posted, individually, not the races others have done, or the part I have played in team rows.

And for me, the 2K is really the only individual race available.

I am not a junior, an adaptive rower, or a developmentally challenged rower.

ranger

[ranger]

But you did not reach you goal by more then 25 seconds

Hmm.

Not really.

In 2006, I pulled 6:29.7, at 31 spm (12 SPI) and high drag, without even preparing for it.

That was a nice midpoint between my first race (6:27.5 @ 38 spm (10 SPI), fully trained) in 2002 and what I will do this fall and winter, fully trained and rowing well, at low drag.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from 2-3 months of distance trials and hard sharpening (AT, TR, and AN training).

I am also getting quite a bit more efficiency from rowing well at low drag.

The two together, I think, will now get me to my 2K target.

ranger

[mikvan52]

To do well at the HOCR you have to stay away from the erg in the summer.... many summers...

Sorry, but I don't believe this at all, and I don't know why I would listen to you as a good source of information, anyway.

If I can get in the race in 2011, I think I'll finish in the top five, while you won't.

To finish in the top five, you'll have to row 20:15/2:06.

To finish in the top five, I'll have to row 21:30/2:13.5.

ranger

Sorry you don't value voices of experience.
Don't believe me then. Instead, ask yourself: "who among those who historically finish in the top five of those two divisions you cite favor the erg over the water during the summer months?

One reason you are still "a novice" is that you screw up your progress in learning how to move a boat by devoting so much energy to rotating a sprocket on a stationary piece of exercise equipment.

Do you want to wager that I will not scull 3 miles in 20:15 in 2011? Send Byron the money to hold. I'm in.

[mikvan52]

To finish in the top five (of the 2011 HOCR), you'll have to row 20:15/2:06.

http://yfrog.com/3fpicture3hp

Do you want to reexamine your number crunching or do you already know that there'll be a big headwind in October 2011?

Please spare us your uneducated and unresearched guesses.

Perhaps you think I'm slowing down... If so, how did I just get a PB at 1k at Sweeps and Sculls in RI two Saturdays ago?

[hjs]

But you did not reach you goal by more then 25 seconds

Hmm.

Not really.

In 2006, I pulled 6:29.7, at 31 spm (12 SPI) and high drag, without even preparing for it.

ranger

Again a lie

You would pull a 6.16 LIGHTWEIGHT.............. You did not came within a lightyear of that, also not 6.29.7...