Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

I don't know, perhaps 12 seconds refers to on a select few who "now row well" and are "very happy with" it and have "long term goals" and can "rate it up"

Like the WR times for 5K on the erg and the times of the winners at the Head of the Charles?

Yep.

The best women, for instance, do 1:48 for 5K OTErg and 2:00 pace for 3 miles OTW at the Head of the Charles.

You are not exceptional in this at all.

You also do about 1:48 for 5K OTErg and have a goal of doing 2:00 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Another example:

The best lightweight men do 1:36 for 5K OTErg and 1:48 pace at the head of the Charles.

I suspect that if you adjusted the best heavyweight times for 5K on the erg for weight and compared them with the best heavyweight times at the Head of the Charles, you would come out with a similar 12 second per 500m gap.

At the moment, I am at an 18 second per 500m gap between my times OTErg and my times OTW, so I still have quite a bit of work to do on my OTW technique.

Given my physical capacity, by improving my technique OTW to the theoretical limit, I can still get six seconds per 500m faster.

Nonetheless, I am delighted with this.

Last year, I had a 23 seconds per 500m gap between my OTErg times and my times OTW.

So, I am now getting better OTW very quickly.

ranger

[ranger]

Hey, Mike.

Where do you set the angle of the footplate on your Fluid--and why?

ranger

[ranger]

If I reach my goal for 5K OTErg (1:39 pace, 16:30) and get to the theoretical limit of technical proficiency OTW (12 seconds per 500m above my erg times), the prediction would be that I might have a chance of pulling 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Wow.

That's 17:50!

ranger

[whp4]

If I reach my goal for 5K OTErg (1:39 pace, 16:30) and get to the theoretical limit of technical proficiency OTW (12 seconds per 500m above my erg times), the prediction would be that I might have a chance of pulling 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Yes. Sitting on an erg, watching the rowers going by...

[lancs]

If I reach my goal for 5K OTErg (1:39 pace, 16:30) and get to the theoretical limit of technical proficiency OTW (12 seconds per 500m above my erg times), the prediction would be that I might have a chance of pulling 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Ah.. classic Ranger this. Using something he can't do nor will ever be able to do to predict something else he can't do nor will ever be able to do. Genius...

[ranger]

If I reach my goal for 5K OTErg (1:39 pace, 16:30) and get to the theoretical limit of technical proficiency OTW (12 seconds per 500m above my erg times), the prediction would be that I might have a chance of pulling 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Ah.. classic Ranger this. Using something he can't do nor will ever be able to do to predict something else he can't do nor will ever be able to do. Genius...

No, no, no, no, no.

You don't get the whole vision, Lancs.

Use your imagination, guy.

Don't be a dolt.

I use something I can't do (pull 1:39 pace for 5K on the erg) to predict something else I can't do (pull 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles) _by way of something else I can't do_ (row perfectly OTW, that is, so that my OTW times are only 12 seconds per 500m slower than my OTErg times).



A three-headed hydra!

http://www.elftown.com/stuff/hydra.gif?jpg=y

Genius indeed!

ranger

[leadville]

any moron - including you, rangerboy - can put out a lot of power for a few strokes. the fast scullers are the ones who don't slow themselves down with lousy technique.

No, Joe, clearly not, as your 7:04 at the 2010 B's attests.

To be slowed down, you first have to be moving.

There are two sides to the issue.

Sure, I am still slowing myself down in all sorts of ways OTW.

But I am working on it.

And I think I am now generating quite a bit of power OTW before I slow myself down.

For example, I now do a nice 2:00 @ 26 spm.

Perhaps your book will help me out with my lousy OTW technique.

I have ordered it.

I would love to see 2:00 @ 22 spm.

Not sure what will help you get more power into your stroke.

Working harder?



ranger

rangerboy - you make zero sense.

1. I didn't claim to row well. After being out of the boat for 20+ years, and training for eight weeks, I was mighty happy with a top half finish at the Head of the Charles, and just fine with a 7:04 at the CRASH-Bs three months later. I never was, and never will be, an erg pro. I will, however, be racing this weekend, and next, and several times in Camden in a month. And where will you be? Home, fantasizing while your betters are actually racing

2. this is your 'training' thread, wherein you claim to have determined what good technique is one day and be rowing thusly, then claim "slowing myself down in all sorts of ways OTW" the next. your posting is as inconsistent as your erg performance, minus the (few) high points you so often highlight.

3. you posted some months ago you ordered the book. what happened? lose the copy? decide all that technique stuff was just too much to think about? or is this another one of your uncountable lies?

you see, rangerboy, you're a joke; raise the name ranger at any rowing event and all you'll see are eyes rolling followed by 'what an ass' comments. There's this thing in rowing called class, and another called respect. You have neither, and never will.

[leadville]

If I reach my goal for 5K OTErg (1:39 pace, 16:30) and get to the theoretical limit of technical proficiency OTW (12 seconds per 500m above my erg times), the prediction would be that I might have a chance of pulling 1:51 pace at the Head of the Charles.

Wow.

That's 17:50!

ranger

My dog has more chance of rowing a 17:50 at the Charles than you. But like you, she doesn't like the water.

[ranger]

And where will you be? Home, fantasizing while your betters are actually racing

Sure, I will be home fantisizing.

What else motivates us?

But that's not all that I will be doing.

I will also be home, learning to row.

I am making great progress.

This year, I am about five seconds per 500m better OTW than I was last year, with none of that improvement due to fitness.

Delighted with that.

ranger

[ranger]

The relevance of my erging to my OTW is this:

If I reach my goals on the erg, my OTW rowing--right now--is perfectly fine to beat Mike VB soundly OTW, at both 1K and 5K.

OTW, technically, Mike VB is six seconds per 500m better than I am.

But if I reach on goals OTErg, I will be eight seconds per 500m better than him physically.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Hey, Mike.

Where do you set the angle of the footplate on your Fluid--and why?

ranger

Rich:
Let me point out first that I answer simple questions event though "others" don't...


My experience with the Fluid:

The footplate angle was preset by Fluid... I like it where it is. So, I haven't examined that feature as yet.
I will take a look at the assembly an answer this later.

[mikvan52]

I don't know, perhaps 12 seconds refers to on a select few who "now row well" and are "very happy with" it and have "long term goals" and can "rate it up"

Like the WR times for 5K on the erg and the times of the winners at the Head of the Charles?

The times your report for 5k OTW and OTErg are...(?)

How about showing Dietz's 5k erg and 5k OTW... (also non existent)
How about Spousta?
THe only one to look up would be Meyer.
(I'll check. But having one 60 year old is hardly conclusive)

For me 1:47 OTErg 5k + 12 would give me 1:59 at the HOCR...
I'll take it!~

WR OTErg hardly have the relationship with HOCR results because people who win the HOCR do not have 5k WR erg scores...

My opinion is that you're taking to much liberty with number comparison.
I also had thought you were applying the "12 sec" thingy to OTW vs OTErg performances...
Was I wrong?

[mikvan52]

The relevance of my erging to my OTW is this:


OTW, technically, Mike VB is six seconds per 500m better than I am.

But if I reach on goals OTErg, I will be eight seconds per 500m better than him physically.

ranger

So it's "mikvan52 IS" vs "ranger IF"

link this to your assertion that my training for the past few years has been "ruinous"...
I'm an IS an your're an IF... That speaks volumes...

[mikvan52]

I don't know, perhaps 12 seconds refers to on a select few who "now row well" and are "very happy with" it and have "long term goals" and can "rate it up"

Like the WR times for 5K on the erg and the times of the winners at the Head of the Charles?

THe only one to look up would be Meyer.
(I'll check. But having one 60 year old is hardly conclusive)

I was wrong.
Meyer used to report 10k on the erg:

RANKING RESULTS 2006

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 10000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2006 Season

Jack Meyer 56 West Rockport ME USA 35:34.7

Now, that was when he was 56... He was 60 when he sculled to third pace in the 60-69 group at the HOCR

3 Unaffiliated (Jack Meyer) 20:40.216 1.88% BEHIND 1ST PLACE
sculling at 2-4 spm higher than DIetz, the winner. I might add...

(his 2006 time was unavailable when I tried to look it up today... It was probably 19:xx...)

[ranger]

My opinion is that you're taking too much liberty with number comparison.

Sure.

But I am just using these relationships to note general trends.

There is always a lot of individual variation in and around a general trend.

Noting a general trend can still be useful, though.

It can tell you--in general--where you stand.

ranger