Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Look! another ranger words-0-wisdom gem:
"If your goals are long-term, you don't have to show up to win."
Rich:
For the water.... this so dead wrong as to be unworthy of comment.
You are to be forgiven because you have not raced yet. How would you know?...

I am just learning to row, Mike.

Racing is not appropriate when you are just learning to row.

It is a destructive distraction.

I will race OTW when I am rowing well and am fully prepared.

I don't know why anyone would do otherwise.

You don't do otherwise yourself.

ranger

[ranger]

I will rate 38 spm, as I do on the erg

Liar

For 1K on the erg?

No lie.

And rates feel about the same to me, whether on the erg or OTW.

I use the same stroke.

ranger

[ranger]

On the erg:
1 Wind doesn't matter
2 Balance doesn't matter
3 Drag caused by body weight is not a factor (as it affects the amount of wetted surface on a boat's hull)

We are pretty much the same weight.

I don't have any trouble with balance OTW.

We row the same boat.

Sure, I will have to get more experience with rowing in different winds.

But I have been getting that experience, and will continue getting it.

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

July 7, 2010: I'll post some video of my OTW rowing over the next couple of days.

[ranger]

July 7, 2010: I'll post some video of my OTW rowing over the next couple of days.

Yea, haven't gotten around to that yet.

It depends on my wife.

I need to get her up and down to the river at sunrise, when I am rowing.

Not an easy task!



ranger

[mikvan52]

Look! another ranger words-0-wisdom gem:
"If your goals are long-term, you don't have to show up to win."
Rich:
For the water.... this so dead wrong as to be unworthy of comment.
You are to be forgiven because you have not raced yet. How would you know?...

Racing is not appropriate when you are just learning to row.





I don't know why anyone would do otherwise.

You don't do otherwise yourself.

ranger

Racing is not appropriate when you are just learning to row. Wrong
I don't know why anyone would do otherwise. That's correct, you don't know.
You don't do otherwise yourself. I can't imagine what you're even trying to say. I DID race when I was learning to row. If all juniors didn't race until they were perfect there wouldn't be any juniors rowing. If, like you, they waited 7 years from their 1st strokes they wouldn't be juniors anymore (!) I went to junior worlds in my second year of rowing.

Rich:
You are so deep in a hole with your reasoning; it's time to throw in the towel.

If we were to believe you we'd understand that :

#1: You perfected your stroke on the erg. (the 70 milion meters of erging you've done since 2003)
#2: You row with the same stroke on the water.
#3: In your case your stroke is perfectly suited for both disciplines.
(and here's the kicker)
#4: You are not prepared to have a good showing on the water even though you are the fastest 59 yr old lwt in the world.


Rich: To maintain all of these things is either smoke blowing (insincere) or untenable.

Remember what Byron quipped: Fast running shoes don't automatically make fast runners just as having a top of the line 1x won't make you fast on the water.

[mikvan52]

Rich:
This is your training thread.
We'd like to hear about your training.

What "pretty much" the longest distance you've "pretty much" rowed OTW w/o a break in this 2010 summer season?
How fast did you "pretty much" average in pace per 500m? How was that time measured? (Device name)
What was your stroke rate "pretty much"? How was that measured? (Device name)

Does your Garmin count strokes per minute that can be recalled on its screen after the fact?

[ranger]

As for me, My goal is to row the HOCR at 2:00 pace which for the 4800 meter course (9.3 500s x 2.0 pace)= 18.6 minutes = 18:36....

Nice goal.

But I think you'll have to rate 30 spm to do it.

All of the rating down won't get the job done, given the vicissitudes of wind, weather, course, traffic, fatigue, etc.

Sure, it would great to average an SPI of 8, as I am sure you can in perfect conditions, but I doubt that it will happen at HOCR.

An SPI of 7 is more likely.

ranger

[ranger]

What "pretty much" the longest distance you've "pretty much" rowed OTW w/o a break in this 2010 summer season?

I haven't been paying any attention to these performance things in my training.

Training is an opportunity to get better, not an opportunity to perform.

So, in training, I have been working on getting better, both OTW and on the erg.

I don't have any problem rowing hard and long, over whatever distance.

Fitness is not the issue.

The major issues in my training are my effectiveness and efficiency as a rower.

These things don't have anything to do with your question.

ranger

[mikvan52]

As for me, My goal is to row the HOCR at 2:00 pace which for the 4800 meter course (9.3 500s x 2.0 pace)= 18.6 minutes = 18:36....

Nice goal.

But I think you'll have to rate 30 spm to do it.

All of the rating down won't get the job done, given the vicissitudes of wind, weather, course, traffic, etc.

ranger

Really? You think "rate" is the key!
Now that's news...


Here's today's news:
11 Jul
09:35 am... breeze went from
light headwind to calm from time to time
5k w/o any break at all... keeping rate down

1k @ 19.0 & 2:20
2k @ 20.5 & 2:14
3k @ 20.5 & 2:13
4k @ 21.5 & 2:11
5k @ 23.5 & 2:04
total elapsed time = 22:09.3 avg-ing 2:12.9 using 462 strokes for 5k (20.86 spm)
.
2500 meter cool down

I DID NOT RACE THIS PIECE. IT WAS A COMFORTABLE CUT-DOWN

Now if I were a spinnin' BS'er I would say:
"From the workout stats I seem to get at least 2 seconds faster per 500m pace for each stroke per minute I go. We can then conclude that if I raise the rate from 21 spm to 30 spm (9 spm) that I will average 18 seconds per 500m faster.... Doing the arithmetic 2:12.9 - 18 = 1:54.9

But there is no ranger-world cyber-wok on the water.

CARE TO GIVE THIS UT WORKOUT A WHIRL?

[ranger]

Fast running shoes don't automatically make fast runners just as having a top of the line 1x won't make you fast on the water.

False.

I suspect that my new Fluid is five seconds per 500m faster than my old Peinert.

That's a lot.

In fact, it's the difference between being competitive at a high level and just hauling along with the crowd in the rear.

Equipment is the fourth most important element of boat speed.

As I mentioned, even if it was only accidental, I also think how Gord Henry rigged my Fluid is also more effective and efficient for me.

Rigging is the fifth most important element of boat speed.

ranger

[mikvan52]

What "pretty much" the longest distance you've "pretty much" rowed OTW w/o a break in this 2010 summer season?

I haven't been paying any attention to these performance things in my training.

LET ME MAKE THIS SMPLE FOR YOU.

1. How long is the body of water on which you scull?

2. Do you row the full distance?

3. If not, look down at your garmin from which you gather your data,

Please do not quibble on this. You have stated the distance of the swamp across from your house.. Wasn't it a mere 2500m or less?
I love it when you won't answer a simple question: It shows your true color.... YELLOW

[ranger]

Here's today's news:
11 Jul
09:35 am... breeze went from
light headwind to calm from time to time
5k w/o any break at all... keeping rate down

1k @ 19.0 & 2:20
2k @ 20.5 & 2:14
3k @ 20.5 & 2:13
4k @ 21.5 & 2:11
5k @ 23.5 & 2:04
total elapsed time = 22:09.3 avg-ing 2:12.9 using 462 strokes for 5k (20.86 spm)
.
2500 meter cool down

I DID NOT RACE THIS PIECE. IT WAS A COMFORTABLE CUT-DOWN

Sure, you can keep trying to raise your OTW SPI, but I don't think it will serve your purposes on race day.

Your OTW SPI is already _very_ high.

Why keep parading your strengths?

Insecurity?

Once you are very good at something, you only improve by working on your weaknesses.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I have only passing interest in SPI.
My focus is on moving the boat easily at whatever rate is sustainable for the purposes of a workout.

You should try it during an uninterrupted 5 k piece... Forget rate: row the best you can w/o going for "a burn".

What's the length of your river/pond/bayou/ lagoon next to your house?

[mikvan52]

Fast running shoes don't automatically make fast runners just as having a top of the line 1x won't make you fast on the water.

False.

I suspect that my new Fluid is five seconds per 500m faster than my old Peinert.

Wrong again, Rocco!

Put your Fluid and Peinert in the water side by side. Neither of them moves at all.

Get into each one and row for 500meters... report back to us with the data.