Ranger's training thread

[Bob S.]

I think you'll do better by measuring your imperial firkins, hogheads and butts in imperial (20 fl oz) pints rather than any other unit of measure. Nine gallons or 72pts in a firkin. 54 gallons or 432pts in a hogshead. To convert those to metric measures use 568 ml for a 20 fl oz pint.

I've comsumed many a pint of warm, brown, hoppy, bitter beer in the Firkin pubs http://www.firkinpubs.com/

I checked out that URL and it seems to be western hemisphere only, mostly Canada, but few in the U.S. Aren't they in G.B. as well?

There's a couple listed in California - in the central valley - close by, as the crow flies, but 300 miles or so by road. The nearest on this side of the mountains is in Carson City, Nevada, about 180 miles north of here. I get up that way once in a while, so I will have to check it out. But I had better hold it down to an 'arf pint.

Bob S.

[Byron Drachman]

While we are discussing units of measurement, according to the DSM IV, a unit of obnoxiousness is the micro-ranger. OK, maybe I made that up. Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Citroen]

I checked out that URL and it seems to be western hemisphere only, mostly Canada, but few in the U.S. Aren't they in G.B. as well?

Their sad demise is documented at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firkin_Brewery it was May 1994 when I stopped living and working in London. So all my firkin drinking was done before then.

[jliddil]

I checked out that URL and it seems to be western hemisphere only, mostly Canada, but few in the U.S. Aren't they in G.B. as well?

Their sad demise is documented at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firkin_Brewery it was May 1994 when I stopped living and working in London. So all my firkin drinking was done before then.

Oh yes the death of real ale. CAMRA etc. as an ex-homebrewer I can really relate. I loved getting a hand pulled pints in london of real ale. Non-fizzy real beer. stella sucks. I love the american revolution in beer. Olde Nick was great. Thomas Hardy's was a favorite. So can we have an erg contest at the great british beer festival?

[ranger]

You have given pudding not once for 7/8 years.

True.

I haven't been ready.

My 6:29.7 2K in 2006 when I was 55 was done just on the basis of foundational training--no distance training, distance trials, or sharpening--at high drag, and still struggling with technique.

I will be ready this next racing season, though.

Things are going _very_ well.

At low drag, fully prepared, and rowing well, I will do _waaaaay_ better than that 6:29.7.

ranger

[ranger]

At the moment, OTW, Mike VB is four seconds per 500m more effective than I am.

In a couple of years, I assume that this won't be the case. By that time, I will be just as effective as he is OTW. But right now, Mike's four seconds per 500m advantage in effectiveness OTW needs to be recognized.

This means that if we both use our OTW strokes on the erg and Mike has a 1:57 UT2 pace, as he does, I need to have a 1:53 UT2 pace to equal him OTW in terms of pace at a given level of effort.

Lately, I have been doing 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2 on the erg, so this is _very_ encouraging.

For Mike, 1:49 on the erg is AT. 1:52 is top-end UT1.

This means that I am now ahead of Mike by eight seconds per 500m on the erg and four seconds per 500m OTW.

Delighted with this.

In terms of 2K times, if Mike pulls 6:48 for 2K on the erg, anything that I pull for 2K below 6:32 indicates an OTW advantage for me over Mike in pace at the same level of effort.

If I pull 6:16 for 2K on the erg, that advantage grows to four seconds per 500m.

ranger

[PaulH]

I will be ready this next racing season, though.

Liar

[hjs]

You have given pudding not once for 7/8 years.

True.

I haven't been ready.

My 6:29.7 2K in 2006 when I was 55 was done just on the basis of foundational training--no distance training, distance trials, or sharpening--at high drag, and still struggling with technique.

I will be ready this next racing season, though.

Things are going _very_ well.

At low drag, fully prepared, and rowing well, I will do _waaaaay_ better than that 6:29.7.

ranger

wanna bet you won,t You never ever will see that 6.30 again, father time has taken that away from you.

[ausrwr]

Give it a whirl and see what you come up with.

Nah.

No reason for me to do your OTW workouts.

We are at completely different places in our OTW training.

I suspect that it will be a couple of years before I do the kind of thing you are doing OTW.

I am still just learning to row.

ranger

Why not Rich, you've been saying that you're already going faster than Mike OTW, and quicker than Jim Dietz and co.

You couldn't have been caught in a lie, could you?

Oh no, not AGAIN!

[Steve G]

But you hide what you do

SNIP
Paul is what, 6'4", 220 lbs.?

Size 16 shoes?

I am 5'11" and will race at 160 lbs.

Shoe size: 9.

But I will pull a 6:16 2K at 60.

6:16 is 12 SPI @ 35 spm.

ranger

A new factor in the equation emerges, shoe size, how does this fit in please?
I am a size 10 at 5 ft 8 inches, meaningless drivel!

Steve 59, nearer 60 than you! 64 kgs

[Citroen]

I am a size 10 at 5 ft 8 inches, meaningless drivel!

Is that an American size ten or a UK size ten? They're not the same.

[Steve G]

I am a size 10 at 5 ft 8 inches, meaningless drivel!

Is that an American size ten or a UK size ten? They're not the same.

I live in the UK therefore a UK size 10
Steve

[ranger]

You never ever will see that 6.30 again, father time has taken that away from you.

We'll soon see.

1:52.5 is UT2 for a 6:30 2K.

1:49 is UT2 for a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

Why not Rich, you've been saying that you're already going faster than Mike OTW, and quicker than Jim Dietz and co.

Stroking like that (7.5 SPI) OTW, for Mike, 24 spm is AT, 5K race pace.

It will be a while before I can stroke like Mike OTW, but however I stroke, when I am fully trained up for it, I'll rate 30-32 for 5K.

ranger

[hjs]

You never ever will see that 6.30 again, father time has taken that away from you.

We'll soon see.

ranger

We have seen that