Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Might I suggest that it is illogical to say that because a person rows many, many meters he consequently rows well both on the erg and on the water.

Might I suggest that if a person is a 60-year-old lightweight and does his everyday rowing, (snip) 2:03 @ 25 spm (7 SPI) OTW, he rows _very_ well?

No.... as your sculling is RWB/OTW. Your stats do not indicate that "(ranger) rows_very_well"
You clearly think you do though...

Try a workout like the one I did OTW this morning and report back:

18 k with only 2 short breaks:

1. warm up for 2k (143 strokes @ 15 spm (2:53.2 pace for 11:32.9))

2. 6k of steady state WITHOUT A BREAK:
(510 strokes @ 18 spm (2:20.5 pace for 28:06.1))

3. rest a couple of minutes

4. 8k of steady state WITHOUT A BREAK
(790 strokes @ 22 spm (2:17.2 pace for 36:35.4))

AND: Consider that this is a very easy "UT" day Note that I average 19spm ... not your 25...

Suggestion for you to remember: RWB/otw training where your work intervals are at 2:03 pace for short duration are only good for a couple days a week.
If you are actually doing what you say your are : all workouts in brief bursts at 2:03-2:05 pace at 25 spm, you will have a most assuredly difficult time developing what is needed to win a 5k head race.

As you are new to OTW singles rowing, let me remark that 25 spm is a high(er) rate for people our age... not low(er) as you might suspect from the erg. Remember the dynamics of the erg (all stats and numbers) match eights sweep rowing ... not singles rowing...

[ranger]

What happened to the road trip to VT with that new Fluid

The Fluid came a month late.

But I suppose I could go out to VT now.

Should I?

I don't go up to Door County until later in the month (the 20th or so).

ranger

[mikvan52]

Pressure's all on you, Mike.

Pressure?

There's no pressure on either of us.
I win at Crash-B and OTW which satisfies my competitive nature

You win at.... (?)
.... Memory Lane
.... Wishful thinking
.... fabrications
.... weight cutting
.... person who tried the most frequently to break Roy Brook's record and failed

[mikvan52]

What happened to the road trip to VT with that new Fluid

The Fluid came a month late.

But I suppose I could go out to VT now.

Should I?

I don't go up to Door County until later in the month (the 20th or so).

ranger

You should come to VT and go to Craftsbury or Black Bear or get coached by Buzz Congram on the CT River... I'd love to meet you otw in a race someday!
As for me: I have business in Annapolis and elsewhere and will not be up here much longer:

I race at Sweeps & Sculls (Providence) soon
I race at Diamond States (Delaware) later this month
I race at Masters Nationals Aug 12-15th...

Why not come to one or more of these and get some experience. Your erg strength will be enough to show some good results for a "novice" and such experience will stand you in good stead for 2011

google "Congram and rowskills" to get his website...
Door County can wait a week or so couldn't it?

[Byron Drachman]

You're not racing your single?

No. There is no event for my age group. The cutoff is group F. So I'll do a double with a friend. We've only rowed a couple of times in the double, but we are starting to get the knack of it. Doubles, quads, fours, eights are all great fun.

[ranger]

Nice!

"Windhover"

ranger

[ranger]

You're not racing your single?

No. There is no event for my age group. The cutoff is group F. So I'll do a double with a friend. We've only rowed a couple of times in the double, but we are starting to get the knack of it. Doubles, quads, fours, eights are all great fun.

Sure.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[ranger]

Door County can wait a week or so couldn't it?

Nope.

Our family home in Door County, and what happens there, every year, is one of the most important things in my life.

Compared to it, rowing is a distant, distant priority.

We Curetons have been congregating in Door County for half a century.

It's a beautiful place.

And what happens there is even more beautiful.

My brother, Kirk, and his wife, Debbie, are already on the way there from Athens, GA.

My brother's son, David, and his new wife, Megan, will arrive a couple of weeks later.

We have a friend, Jorgen Larsson, from Sweden, who will arrive here in Ann Arbor, and go with us to Door County, by way of Minneapolis, to visit my second son, Colin.

My son Colin will take a weekend off and come to Door County from Minneapolis while we are there.

My daughter Haley will bring the love of her life Brendan to Door County while we are there.

My best friend growing up in Urbana, IL, Rick Cox, and his wife, Linda, will come over to Door County from their family vacation home in Eagle River, WI.

My oldest son, Quinn, will come to Door County from Ann Arbor while we are there, too, as will my wife's brother, Steve, and his new girlfriend, Jennifer, together with one on Steve's good friends, Murph, who lives in Milwaukee.

Quite a gang.

Great stuff.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Door County can wait a week or so couldn't it?

Nope.

Our family home in Door County, and what happens there, every year, is one of the most important things in my life.

Compared to it, rowing is a distant, distant priority.

We Curetons have been congregating in Door County for half a century.

It's a beautiful place.

And what happens there is even more beautiful.

Enjoy! ~that does sound great~~!

[mikvan52]

Might I suggest that if a person is a 60-year-old lightweight and does his everyday rowing, (snip) 2:03 @ 25 spm (7 SPI) OTW, he rows _very_ well?

1st set
8:16 am
500m - 1:52.2 - 31.5 spm - 59 strokes

8:22 am
500m - 1:50.8 - 34.0 spm - 62 strokes


2nd set
8:34 am
500m - 1:51.5 - 33.5 spm - 62 strokes

8:48 am
500m - 1:52.4 - 34.5 spm - 61 strokes

Question: If someone who is two years older claims to be sculling well at 25 spm and 2:03 pace, how does that stack up against the workout above 33 spm and 1:51.9 pace?

What are your distances for the 2:03 pace @ 25 (again)?

Isn't my spi higher than yours on the first one?
......................................................= 7.87

[ranger]

Why not come to one or more of these and get some experience?

Sounds good, theoretically, but it doesn't seem to be working out in real time.

Next year will be better.

Spending a year in my new Fluid will also put me in a much more secure position competitively.

As I have mentioned many times, before I race OTW, I would like to get a feel for what I can do in my Fluid for 10K, 6K, 5K, 2K, 1K, 500m, etc., and I want to be doing regular intervals (500s, 1Ks, 2Ks, etc.) OTW.

And truth is, I am just not there yet.

To do these distance rows and intervals, I will also have to change venues, which I am not doing at the moment. I will have to go to Belleville Lake (where the UM women's and Eastern Michigan varsity rowing team practices) and/or Portage Lake, where I rowed last fall. I can't do this rowing on the Huron River, as I am doing from day to day now.

ranger

[ranger]

Question: If someone who is two years older claims to be sculling well at 25 spm and 2:03 pace, how does that stack up against the workout above 33 spm and 1:51.9 pace?

At the moment, I can't do 1:52 @ 33 spm.

I have to rate considerably higher.

Then again, I think I can indeed rate higher.

So, touche.

I also think that over the next year I will learn to catch more and more water.

So, talk to me a year from now.

Then, I think I might be doing 1:52 @ 33 spm, too.

At the moment, I can only do 7 SPI OTW, and even so, only when I am rowing my very best.

1:52 @ 33 spm is 7.5 SPI.

Can't do that now.

ranger

[Bob S.]

Remember the dynamics of the erg (all stats and numbers) match eights sweep rowing ... not singles rowing...

er... I believe that it was based on a 4, but I can't remember if it was +,-, or x. Minor point, but I have this habit of nit-picking - it is an occupation hazard. The point you were making was still valid.

Bob S.

[mikvan52]

Remember the dynamics of the erg (all stats and numbers) match eights sweep rowing ... not singles rowing...

er... I believe that it was based on a 4, but I can't remember if it was +,-, or x. Minor point, but I have this habit of nit-picking - it is an occupation hazard. The point you were making was still valid.

Bob S.

I guess I was having a brain freeze in this 90 degree heat

[mikvan52]

Rich: Have you calibrated your SpeedCoach for the Windhover yet?... and: Which model of the NK timer do you have?... or, are you GPS'ing it as many people do these days?

If you have calibrated a NK device, I'd be interested to know what factor you've settled upon. For your hull size and shape (the same as mine), I don't think that a 1.00 factor yields accurate data...

(Just a heads up)

Nice color BTW!