Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Rich: So now it's back to the heart rate discussion..

How about 10 x 500m OTW?
without even breathing hard you should easily be able to do 2:05's

Why not post what you can actually achieve these days... It wouldn't be hard for you...

BTW: I know you won't post the data..
THis is just a tactic to get you talking about something real as opposed to "in the fall, when I (ranger) am fully trained".
IOW: What DO you so 10 x 500m in right now OTW?

[ranger]

Rich: So now it's back to the heart rate discussion..

How about 10 x 500m OTW?
without even breathing hard you should easily be able to do 2:05's

Why not post what you can actually achieve these days... It wouldn't be hard for you...

BTW: I know you won't post the data..
THis is just a tactic to get you talking about something real as opposed to "in the fall, when I (ranger) am fully trained".
IOW: What DO you so 10 x 500m in right now OTW?

I am not doing intervals OTW.

I am just learning to row.

I have only had my Fluid a couple of weeks.

Nothing embarrassing or odd about learning.

Just because you're not doing it, doesn't mean that others aren't doing it.

I have given everyone my schedule for racing OTW.

I will do some head races this fall.

Then I will enter some sprints next spring.

Then I will go to Nationals next summer and the Head of the Charles next fall.

ranger

[ranger]

He'll never be fully ready

On the erg, I'll be ready to race this fall and winter.

This should give me a couple of dozen seconds over 2K, vis-a-vis this last year, when I pulled WR pace (6:41) for my age and weight.

But what does it matter, really?

This last year, racing entirely unprepared (i.e., without hard distance rowing, distance trials, or hard sharpening), no one my age or weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

Unless others buck up a bit more and get their heads out of their asses, it doesn't matter whether I am "fully prepared" or not when I race.

At the moment, I am racing against a bunch of broken down old men.

ranger

[mikvan52]

If any memory sticks for today: for me it will be this

"In my Fluid, I do 2:04.5 @ 28.5 spm just fine, without even breathing very hard."
a true chestnut from our hero of the erg, the Baron Von Rangerstein


I called him on it:

How many strokes do you do it for?

As long as you, Mike.

But that isn't the issue.

.no, Rich it isn't an "issue", it's a question.
Where's the answer? I want a stroke count, meters, or time... It's recorded on your speedcoach..

Then there’s this:

Now for the daily~doozy:
Ranger: “I am not doing intervals OTW.

I am just learning to row.”

So: We have it that ranger rows as many strokes as I do but doesn't do the workouts that I do.
... I sense an inconsistency problem here.

Rich: I'm not doing hard intervals either right now. Nor are you.
We're both rowing "not breathing very hard" at 2:05 pace.... How long do you go for? I go for close to 6k in race conditions.

How long is your training venue? Didn't you say it's only 2.5 k?

I suppose you'll want to change the subject again??
Next subject... % body fat (?)
What a crock.

[mikvan52]

He'll never be fully ready

At the moment, I am racing against a bunch of broken down old men.

ranger

Could we have a list of old men who you've raced in the last three years.
I've been at CRASH-Bs the last three years and you've never showed...
Roy and I have been very lonely w/o you.

I remember you're having said: No point in coming.. couldn't get the free ride from C2.. won't pay my own way... not ready

Where was the race that you pulled you 6:40? Podunk, IA ? East Jesus, TX??
Who was the broken-down "old man" you beat there.

Oh, I forgot! When you say "raced"... that means the rankings... Why don't say "ranked bettter than" rather than "raced and beat"... ???

[ranger]

I remember you're having said: No point in coming.. couldn't get the free ride from C2.

True.

I am not going to spend $1000 to pull a 2K.

No need.

Ergs don't lie.

Erg races can be done anywhere.

If you can pull better than 6:41, or 6:28, or 6:16, then do it.

Nothing prevents you besides your own inability.

ranger

[JohnBove]

"The" record?

No.

A number of them.

I suspect that I will set the 50s lwt and 55s lwt WRs this fall.

Then I will set the 40s lwt, 55s hwt, 60s lwt, and 60s hwt WRs this winter.

Just wondering: are you masturbating when you write this shite? These self-agrandizing lies, these fantasies -- are they the stuff of what pleasures your diseased mind? Rhetorical question.

[Steve G]

I remember you're having said: No point in coming.. couldn't get the free ride from C2.

True.

I am not going to spend $1000 to pull a 2K.

No need.

Ergs don't lie.

Erg races can be done anywhere.

If you can pull better than 6:41, then do it.

Nothing prevents you.

ranger

But Rich
You have just spent a few thousand dollars to tootle around in a new boat?
Its like me spending 5K on a carbon fibre bling bike to go around my local park?
PS how long does it take to learn to row OTW, I know nothing about this but 6 years or so plus?!

[Nosmo]

Then you are ready to race and win right now. You are ready to do the Nationals.

Sure.

But I am not interested in racing, especially at the National level, until I am fully ready.

Not interested or afraid of what you will find out?

[mikvan52]

Ergs don't lie.

Erg races can be done anywhere.

If you can pull better than 6:41, then do it.

Nothing prevents you.

Sitting down on an erg and jerking the chain for a great score w/o a competitor beside you is not racing the "old men".

-- Just as going down the river behind your house all by yourself is not racing the 1x

[whp4]

"The" record?

No.

A number of them.

I suspect that I will set the 50s lwt and 55s lwt WRs this fall.

Then I will set the 40s lwt, 55s hwt, 60s lwt, and 60s hwt WRs this winter.

Just wondering: are you masturbating when you write this shite? These self-agrandizing lies, these fantasies -- are they the stuff of what pleasures your diseased mind? Rhetorical question.

Let's just hope he doesn't post a video

[PaulH]

I will do some head races this fall.

Liar

[ranger]

Sitting down on an erg and jerking the chain for a great score w/o a competitor beside you is not racing the "old men".

Mike---

On the erg, I have raced much more than you.

I have a wall of medals from erg venues.

And that is just the beginning.

Now that I know how to row, I will dominate age group erging, year after year, for the next thirty years, as no one ever has.

No one my age and weight will come within 30 seconds of my 2K times.

I am _very_ puzzled why you don't think erging is productive as a supplement to OTW rowing.

I can't think of anything better for a 60s lwt than doing 20K of 1:46 @ 26 spm every morning--HR at FM effort, 75% HRR, working hard on technique, practicing those controlled recoveries, soft catches, flat pulls, etc., a couple of thousand times, just to get in the groove of things before gettting in the boat and doing it all over again.

Keeps your fitness sky high.

I suppose the only thing that discourages someone like you from doing this is that you can't come within seven seconds per 500m of 1:46 @ 26 spm for 20K--flat out, pushing your HR to 90% HRR.

But that just means you haven't done your homework in other ways and so are missing some of the prerequisites.

Tsk-tsk.

You shouldn't try to skip grades unless you are smart enough and have mastered the material.

You'll get in way over your head.

ranger

[ranger]

how long does it take to learn to row OTW

A lifetime or two, I suspect.

Give it a try.

You'll see why.

Raise the rate to 40 spm and hold it there for 1K, keeping your technique clean and your stroking, smooth and relaxed.

See how you do.

Try it every day.

Stop when you think you have mastered it.

Then check the calender.

That will tell you how long it takes to learn to row OTW.

ranger

[hjs]

how long does it take to learn to row OTW

A lifetime or two, I suspect.

Give it a try.

You'll see why.

Raise the rate to 40 spm and hold it there for 1K, keeping your technique clean and your stroking, smooth and relaxed.

See how you do.

Try it every day.

Stop when you think you have mastered it.

Then check the calender.

That will tell you how long it takes to learn to row OTW.

ranger

Others win olympic gold after only a few years soemtimes