Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » June 29th, 2010, 8:32 am

jliddil wrote:
ranger wrote: At this point, I don't see any reason why I won't carry those plans out--exactly as stated.ranger
You will find a reason
Which brings to mind:
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-Blaise Pascal

The heart has its reasons that defy reason.... and we all know about ranger's "heart" :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 8:57 am

OTW in my Fluid, with my speed coach ticking off the meters, it is now fun to pull right on the zeros, just as PaulS would have his rowers do on the erg: 10 MPS

2:10 @ 23 spm

catch on zero

catch on zero

catch on zero

Great stuff.

This last year, only two 60s rowers at the Head of the Charles were able to do 2:10 pace or better, while rating 28 spm or above, Dietz and Spousta, who, together, have won the Head of the Charles about 20 times.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » June 29th, 2010, 9:06 am

blog post: ranger 6:22 am ("I am now going rowing")

blog post: ranger 7:57 am ("ticking off meters" post)

total elapsed~non-yap~time = 1 hr 35 minutes keyboard-to-keyboard :lol:
analysis: perhaps an hour of actual water time
We'll call it "10k rwb @ 23 spm while rowing well"

How many meters is anyone's guess.... certainly not "I will do 20k sculling sessions everyday"
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 9:07 am

Dang, my boat is fast!

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 9:10 am

mikvan52 wrote:analysis: perhaps an hour of actual water time
Yea, just about that, after 20K on the erg.

_Gorgeous_ condiitons OTW.

Dead calm, crystal clear, 50 degrees F.

Again, I was the only person on the Huron River above Barton Dam.

I could see the bubbles off my wake for a couple of Ks behind me, glinting in the sun.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 9:21 am

At 18 seconds per 500m off of my erg times at the same rate, 2:10 @ 23 spm is 1:52 @ 23 spm, just what I was doing this morning on the erg at the beginning of my distance rowing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by becz » June 29th, 2010, 10:06 am

becz wrote:
jliddil wrote:
ranger wrote: The video was taken rowing at max drag, which makes you shorten up and use your upper body both more and somewhat out of sequence, in order to maximize effectiveness and efficiency.
Wrong again. It is clear in the video that the damper is only at about 6. :?
Rich - I noticed you didn't reply to this. The video in which you claim that the poor technique we see is due to rowing at max drag - indeed the reason you gave for all of your poor performances this past season - is clearly being rowed with the damper set at 6. So what's the story? Was this piece rowed at max drag?
Rich - I know it's about 4 pages back now so maybe you missed this? You said that you were rowing at max drag in this video, and that was the reason for your (admitted) poor technique. It's clear from the video that you were rowing with the damper set at 6. Were you rowing at max drag?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 10:28 am

If you are 60 years old and are eating up 10 meters OTW with each stroke, rating 23 spm, you are doing _very_, _very_ well.

In fact, no one, I repeat, no one, is doing any better.

If you are doing this well, technique is no problem.

Your technique is just fine.

Sure, things can always be better, especially with technique.

But why sweat the small stuff?

It just doesn't matter.

Once you row this well, what _is_ important is whether you have the physical capacity and training to rate up.

Holding your technique together, can you do 1K at 38 spm like a younger rower?

Or can you only rate 31 spm like a broken down old man?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by nysaag » June 29th, 2010, 10:49 am

In his own mind Ranger is the greatest erger and otw rower of all time.

In the real world Ranger is a liar, a cheat and a troll.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 12:57 pm

nysaag wrote:In his own mind Ranger is the greatest erger and otw rower of all time.

In the real world Ranger is a liar, a cheat and a troll.
Yea, that's why I had three WR rows on the erg when I didn't even know how to row.

That's why this last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K on the erg, even though I didn't prepare to race.

When I prepare to race this fall and winter, I think that gap might widen to 40, or even 50, seconds over 2K.

At WIRC 2010, the 60s lwt hammer pulled 7:04.

At WIRC 2011, I will be a 60s lwt.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 12:58 pm

I am now very regularly pulling 11.5 SPI on the erg, 7 SPI OTW, at all rates.

Delighted with that.

Efficiency is also getting _very_ high.

To reach my goals, there is nothing else to be done.

Now, for training, it's just more of the same.

More of the same.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 3:05 pm

Dang, my boat is fast!

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 29th, 2010, 3:11 pm

Among 60s rowers, the glaring deficiency of those "stylish" competitors--former Olympians, etc.--is that they can't rate up.

C'est dommage.

Anyone who can rate up can blow by them--no problem.

They are just broken down old men who no longer value the importance of physical capacity and training in rowing.

Delusion.

_Total_ delusion.

Physical capacity and training are the two most important elements of boat speed.

Technique is a distant third.

Feiishizing technique in training for rowing just underlines inability.

Inability is not an asset.

It's a liability.

A _huge_ liability.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by becz » June 29th, 2010, 3:26 pm

ranger wrote:Among 60s rowers, the glaring deficiency of those "stylish" competitors--former Olympians, etc.--is that they can't rate up.

C'est dommage.

Anyone who can rate up can blow by them--no problem.

They are just broken down old men who no longer value the importance of physical capacity and training in rowing.

Delusion.

_Total_ delusion.

Physical capacity and training are the two most important elements of boat speed.

Technique is a distant third.

Feiishizing technique in training for rowing just underlines inability.

Inability is not an asset.

It's a liability.

A _huge_ liability.

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You had certainly better hope that once you finally man up and show up at a major regatta that all of your predictions for your fantastic success come true. Because if not, with comments like this, you will end up being the most ridiculed and derided individual in the sport. You will have made it completely clear to everyone that you are in reality a worthless POS, in real life just as in your virtual life.

And I'm guessing that you fully well realize this, and as a result will never actually show up and race. As long as you don't try, you can't fail, and therefore cast away whatever final uncertainty there is about what you really can and can't do.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » June 29th, 2010, 3:41 pm

becz:
Keeping in tune with his track record, Rich already has been shown that lower rates win just as frequently OTW as high rates.
A statement such as this is just a cast of his trolling net to get a rise. He knows already that it's BS.

The true fine points of sculling elude him. He has no first hand experience of any racing OTW.

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