Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 1:02 pm

bloomp wrote:And compared to my Hudson, your Fluid is a piece of garbage. Also, if you somehow became ME (Paul Bloom) you might gain 5s/500m OTW, but no boat will make you that much faster.
Paul--

So.

If you do 1:45 for 2K on the erg, and therefore 1:50/18:20 for 5K on the erg, can you do 2:02/20:20 for 5K OTW, 19:40 for 3 miles at the Head of the Charles?

That should be a limit for you.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » June 22nd, 2010, 1:26 pm

ranger wrote: This is a forum for indoor rowing.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bloomp » June 22nd, 2010, 2:00 pm

All that matters Rich is that my OTW time would be faster than yours. By a lot.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 2:11 pm

bloomp wrote:All that matters Rich is that my OTW time would be faster than yours. By a lot.
That wasn't my question.

What do you do for 5K OTW?

You don't have any idea what I would do because I have never done it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » June 22nd, 2010, 2:14 pm

ranger wrote:
bloomp wrote:All that matters Rich is that my OTW time would be faster than yours. By a lot.
That wasn't my question.

What do you do for 5K OTW?

You don't have any idea what I would do because I have never done it.

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And you never will, keep to the topic, this is an ergo site!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by rjw » June 22nd, 2010, 2:20 pm

ranger wrote:
You don't have any idea what I would do because I have never done it.
Which is why we are asking you to post a time rather than having you speculate as to what you could do if........
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 2:23 pm

Paul--

So, 4:12/2:06 for 1K.

So about 2:10/8:40 for 2K, 2:15/22:30 for 5K?

If so, the spread between your erg times and your OTW times is about 25 seconds per 500m.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bloomp » June 22nd, 2010, 2:29 pm

ranger wrote:Paul--

So, 4:12 for 2K.

2:06.

So 2:11 for 5K?

21:50 for 5K?

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Are these your times? That seems to be in the ballpark for what you'd achieve on the water. Are you basing them off your erg scores that you haven't shared with us?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 5:02 pm

bloomp wrote:Are these your times?
No, yours.

http://www.newhavenrowingclub.org/uploa ... _dss10.pdf

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 5:58 pm

bloomp wrote:That seems to be in the ballpark for what you'd achieve on the water.
When I am all trained up for it in a couple of years, if I can rate 30 spm for 5k OTW, and I think I can, I will go 2:00 pace (or better).

The standard handicap for a 60-year-old OTW rower relative to a young rower such as yourself is 13.6 seconds per 500m over 1K.

https://usrowing.org/uploads/docs/mhandchart.pdf

So this would be like you doing 1:46.4 for 5K OTW.

17:44?

John Biglow did 17:30 for 3 miles at the Head of the Charles back in 1982, but 17:44 for 5K is quite a bit faster.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 22nd, 2010, 6:27 pm

Dietz won the Head of the Charles Veterans (60s) 1x race last year with a row of about 2:06 pace.

It apppears that, unadjusted for age, no veteran (60s) rower has ever done better than 2:05/20:10 at the Head of the Charles.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Nosmo » June 22nd, 2010, 8:12 pm

It is well known that the USrowing age adjustments are advantageous for older rowers. They are about 20% higher then they should be.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 23rd, 2010, 2:24 am

Nosmo wrote:It is well known that the USrowing age adjustments are advantageous for older rowers. They are about 20% higher then they should be.
Yes.

And even if these standards were adjusted to the present facts, for accidental and incidental reasons (life style, diet, competing personal, social, and economic pressures, level of commitment, injury, illness, etc.), these present facts underestimate the physical capacities of some older rowers, too, I think.

For instance, supposedly, the average 60s rower now has lost half of their youthful full body power.

That's just neglect.

I haven't lost _any_ of my youthful full-body power.

None at all.

Formulas for calaculating average loss of aerobic capacity, or things like maxHR, with age, can also be wildly off.

According to these forumulas, my maxHR should be 160 bpm, but it is still 190 bpm.

To this point, rowing in the older age divisions has been dominated by mildly committed, experienced, former Olympic-level rowers who have let themselves decline physically but have tried to compensate for their weakened physical capacities and reduced training with technique.

There is no need to assume the steep physical decline and reduced training.

These things are accidental, incidental, not necessary.

Elements of boat speed (in order of importance):

(1) Physical capacities
(2) Training
(3) Technique
(4) Equipment
(5) Rigging

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » June 23rd, 2010, 2:42 am

ranger wrote: This is a forum for indoor rowing.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » June 23rd, 2010, 3:09 am

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote: This is a forum for indoor rowing.
Give it a rest Kev. This thread is for Ranger's crap on the ergo or on the water. Keeping him here keeps the rest of the forum for indoor rowing.

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