Ranger's training thread

[Carl Watts]

Mmmm I guess you just keep on posting to get a reaction out of people.If one post doesnt work you try 3 or 4.

A quick look at the WR for the 60min has no one even close to 19K, even Drysdale "only" managed 18,128M and one of those "useless English" by your definition, an obvious nobody called Graham Benton only managed 18,221M.

You just continue to pull numbers out of a hat.

I see the comments here are degrading fast and it's heading for another locked thread.

[ranger]

A quick look at the WR for the 60min has no one even close to 19K, even Drysdale "only" managed 18,128M and one of those "useless English" by your definition, an obvious nobody called Graham Benton only managed 18,221M.

Indeed.

This only suggests that neither Drysdale nor Benton will pull a lightweight 17.3K for 60min (in 30 years or so) when they are 60 years old.

That seems to be a good bet.

No?

ranger

[ranger]

Especially at my age (60 years old), if you row well and do a substantial amount of training (e.g., 20K a day), rowing restructures your musculature.

Hmm.

Training effect?

Sure, but not short term, either in the making or in the breaking.

ranger

[ranger]

You said Canadian hockey was pathetic.

Never said anything of the sort.

Canadian hockey is the best.

There is also this:

A good chunk of my heart is Canadian.

From 10 to 30, I spend 1/4 of my life in the Ontario wilds (Algonquin Park).

Love it.

The handle I use on this forum derives from this experience.

"Ranger."

I spent 20 years of summers in a canvas-covered, cedar-stripped canoe.

I am a master canoeist.

ranger

[ranger]

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[Carl Watts]

So by applying your logic, when you were a 20-30 year old you would have been rowing a 19K 60min ?

Not to worry I'm working on a Flux Capacitor you can fit to your Erg as we speak so you can go back in time and do one for us.

[ranger]

So by applying your logic, when you were a 20-30 year old you would have been rowing a 19K 60min.

No.

I am not your weight.

But, sure.

If I pull 17.3K when I am 60, the implication is that I could have pulled quite a bit more when I was 20, no?

The normal decline with age is a second a year over 2K, 2.5 seconds per 500m per decade.

That's 10 seconds per 500m over four decades.

ranger

[rjw]

Not even knowing how to row, I pulled 16.7K for 60min when I was 52.

I am a lightweight.

Rich - you were a 51 year old heavyweight when you pulled 16.7k, at least according to the C2 ranking.

To the best of my knowledge, you have not pulled a lwt. 60 minutes and posted it in the rankings. You are close to 9 years older and have, to my knowledge, not posted another 60' on the C2 ranking.

[rjw]

You said Canadian hockey was pathetic.

Never said anything of the sort.

Actually you did..........

You're not as pathetic as Canadian hockey.

[aharmer]

Oh, that pesky Quote function got him again! Wouldn't it be funny if somebody had time to go back and post every example of his lies and contradictions...many only hours apart! Maybe when the bottle gets cracked the computer should be turned off:)

[ranger]

You are close to 9 years older and have, to my knowledge, not posted another 60' on the C2 ranking.

True.

So, I need to.

Soon.

That's what I am working towards this summer.

ranger

[ranger]

At the moment, you are only about a mile and half short.

Just like you and your "targets" and "potential"...

No.

I have done a lwt 6:28 and 16.7K for 60min.

My targets are a lwt 6:16 and 17.3K for 60min.

Yes, that's a big gap, but not a mile and a half (over 60min).

600m is still quite a bit, though.

Four seconds per 500m over 60min.

Three seconds per 500k over 2K.

ranger

This three seconds per 500m over 2K is right about the same improvement that Mike VB has been looking for (but failing to achieve) in order to equal Rocket Roy's 55s 2K WR on the erg and win the Head of the Charles OTW. Mike pulled 6:50 at WIRC 2010 but Rocket Roy's WR is 6:38. Within MIke's goals, this is the equivalent of wanting to pull 17:20 for 5K on the erg, rather than what he does now, 17:50.

So in and around this forum, what I have been working with is not unusual at all in terms of a gap between accomplishment and (assumed) potential within a given complex of goals, training routines, pbs, recent performances, etc.

This three seconds per 500m improvement over 2K (a couple of seconds a year, give or take) is just about what Mike Caviston achieved following his Wolverine Plan in the five years before he turned 40 and set the 40s lwt WR on the erg.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Feb 7, 2006: I have just been learning a quality OTW stroke. That project is now complete.

June 1, 2007: If my training keeps going as well as it is but I don't row 6:20 this next year, I won't be much interested in competitive erging from now on. I'll just row OTW and use the erg for general conditioning.

March 31, 2009: I will racing my 1x OTW for the first time., both sprint events and head events, hey, for how long?, perhaps for the next 20 years!

April 27, 2009: I am now ready to race OTW.

April 5, 2010: I now row OTW pretty well, plenty well to be competitive with any 60s OTW rowers anywhere.

the proof is in the pudding

http://www.grrowing.org/resources/Docum ... Packet.pdf

[ranger]

This training, 1:47 @ 24 spm, is a perfect blend of heart/rate, rate, pace, and stroking power for my everyday rowing.

To reach my goals for next year, I really don't have to do anything else all summer long.

The rate is neither high nor low, which makes it perfect for concentrating on technique. I do best when I get maximal compression and really let lhe wheel spin as I decelerate on the recovery into the catch. This sets up big legs on the drive.

The stroking power is my 2K target, 12 SPI.

The pace is my 30K target, UT1 for a 6:28 2K.

My HR is in and around 160 bpm, which is significantly challenging, well above UT2, but at the same time comfortably under my anaerobic threshold.

So, all I have to do is work this rowing out to two hours, my target for a session.

This is great training for a 6:28 2K on September 1st, before I start sharpening for BIRC 2010.

I am lovin' the low drag (123 df.).

This is Caviston's Level 3.

ranger

[ranger]

the proof is in the pudding

Indeed it is.

Ranger said that?

Smart guy.



ranger