Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » June 11th, 2010, 11:18 am

ranger wrote:... if I pull sub-6:20 at BIRC 2010, as I think I might, for my age and weight, I will not only be the best erger that ever was, but in all probability, the best that will ever be.
If you do that I'll be having deep fried Concept2 seat pad with a side of fries for dinner on 21st Nov. I've not put the order in for the seat pad, do I need to do that or will you be a DNS or DNF?

Have you got your entry in? Have you booked your flights (choose British Airways as that'll give you a good no-show excuse it they're still on strike and that volcano stops spewing ash)?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Flipper21 » June 11th, 2010, 11:19 am

Ranger, Ranger, Ranger... listen up old chap.

You so remind me of England with your constant harking back to the times of yore, yet they, England won the World Cup in 1966 and have done nothing of significance since with the odd exception of a reasonable showing.....

EXACTLY like you, did something a long time ago and NOTHING of significance since. King of Hypothesis you most certainly are and still frothing at the mouth as you have done now for some considerable time. Give a rest old bean and disappear into the night with just a tad of respect before you trip up over more of your deceipt and lies and utter blether.

In short, ever the old wind bag.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by sentinal93 » June 11th, 2010, 11:30 am

ranger wrote:
sentinel93 wrote:Does that not make you a 'bad rower?'
Well, I already have two BIRC golds, one in WR time, the other in championship record time, but if I pull sub-6:20 at BIRC 2010, as I think I might, for my age and weight, I will not only be the best erger that ever was, but in all probability, the best that will ever be.

Interesting prospect.

The row would be historic, some 25 seconds beyond what has been done for 2K by anyone my age and weight.

ranger

Did you even read the rest of my post? You just took out the sentence that you wanted and took it completely out of context. This was my argument for that statement:
sentinal93 wrote: You're considering other people failures because they aren't good rowers; they haven't lived up to your standards. If you read through this thread though, you have yet to achieve your goals either. Does that not make you a 'bad rower?' If not, other rowers may have the same goals as you do, but they may just be at a point further back in their training from you. If you're considering these rowers 'bad,' how does that cast you?
You have almost 4500 posts on this forum. If they're all as misleading and decentralized from the argument as this post is, I would say you are wasting everyone's time.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by nysaag » June 11th, 2010, 12:19 pm

Ranger is a liar, a cheat and a troll.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 1:06 pm

flipper21 wrote:something a long time ago and NOTHING of significance since
Last year, I didn't even prepare to race because I am still working through distance rowing and distance trials, which logically precede sharpening.

Nonetheless, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

No one five years younger came within six seconds of my 2K.

Give or take a bit, I pulled WR pace.

Happy with that.

I get a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

I think I will get about the same from distance rowing (for the next three months) and distance trials.

So, prospects for BIRC 2010 are _very_ good.

The plan is to start hard sharpening September 1st.

So I need to complete my distance rowing and distance trials by then.

That seems likely to me, so I am pleased at developments in my training.

Low drag and a long slide have been the new additions.

Over the next three months, I need to work my rowing, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI), into a FM, settling and stabilizing my heart rate at lower and lower levels, as I "groove" to the cadence.

That seems likely to me, too.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 1:09 pm

citroen wrote:Have you got your entry in? Have you booked your flights?
No entry and flights yet.

But I will be there.

This was the 55s lwts race at BIRC 2009:

1 7:01.9
2 7:20.7
3 7:21.6
4 7:49.6

The 55s lwt championship record is mine at 6:42.

If I row fully trained at low drag, I think I can now put this 55s lwt championship record well below Paul Siebach's 50s lwt championship record, perhaps below Nick Price's 40s lwt championship record.

Of course, anything of that sort would be a WR--by a country mile.

Then I'll come back and do it again next year, when I am 60.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 2:03 pm

Flipper21 wrote: King of Hypothesis
When you race on the erg, fully trained, it is impossible to be hypothetical.

In fact, just the opposite.

If you race on the erg, fully trained, the race is entirely predictable.

All distance trials and sharpening routines are 2K predictors, which both predict one another and the exact outcome of the race.

If you are fully trained, an erg race is the most boring thing imaginable.

You just hold the pace you know that your training has enabled--and that's that.

The exciting thing about erging is training, which, of course, is almost _entirely_ hypothetical, at least, in its most important aspects--goals, motivation, training methods, technique, overall fitness, cross-training, periodization, cycles of work and rest, tapering, particular sessions, heart rate training bands, rate, injuries, sickness, staleness, discouragement, etc.

If you race, fully trained, you knows exactly what you are going to pull for 2K.

What is hypothetical, and therefore so intriguing, is how to train yourself to get better, once you have tried your hardest, given your all, again and again, fully trained, and your times have plateaued, or even started to decline.

It appears that no one knows much at all about this.

It is just a big guess.

My erg times plateaued back in 2003 at a lightweight 6:28.

How about yours?

Since 2003, I have been thinking up ways to try to get better--and then trying them out.

Sure, this process is _entirely_ hypothetical.

No one knows anything about it at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » June 11th, 2010, 2:15 pm

ranger wrote:
My family has been all over the world watching me row and talking face to face with those who have anything substantial to do with the sport (i.e., not you).

My son and daughter came with me to EIRC in Paris; my wife came with me to BIRC in Birmingham; my daughter came with me to WIRC in Boston.

SNIP

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 2:24 pm

Steve G wrote: Rich
Just curious what your wifes comment was when you warmed up at BIRC and then didn't compete as your stroke wasn't quite ready!
Yea, that was a tough one.

Our marriage survived, though.

:D :D

We just celebrated our 35th anniversary.

ranger

P.S, Although the metaphor is extreme, you might say that my wife wanted to bite my head off and seve it up to us for dinner.

:D :D
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by TomR » June 11th, 2010, 10:26 pm

ranger wrote:
JohnBove wrote:f you're okay with yourself, think you're mentally healthy, here's an idea: make a book of your 25,000 or so self-aggrandizing posts and give them to your family to read. A little gift: a view into Daddy's mind. Then ask them what they think. Ask them, particularly, what they think about the dishonor of your not paying off your bet.
. . . my daughter came with me to WIRC in Boston.
That was the year ranger couldn't break 7 minutes and explained his performance by saying he "ran out of muscle goo."

The poor girl was mortified.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 12th, 2010, 3:10 am

A great goal for me from now until September is to get this rowing, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11..1 SPI), down to UT2, 145 bpm, steady state.

If I can do this, I will be a whole training band better now rowing well at low drag than I was rowing poorly at max drag back in 2002-2003.

My former top-end UT1 will now be UT2.

Back in 2002-2003, I pulled 60min @ 1:48 with my HR flat at 172 bpm, my anaerobic threshold.

Each training band is worth 5 seconds per 500m.

UT2 is 2K + 15.

A UT2 pace of 1:48 predicts a 6:12 2K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 12th, 2010, 3:18 am

TomR wrote:That was the year ranger couldn't break 7 minutes
Yea, but the next year I pulled 6:42 and set the BIRC 55s lwt championship record, which still stands.

Then, in the winter, I went on to pull 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » June 12th, 2010, 5:28 am

TomR wrote:That was the year ranger couldn't break 7 minutes

Wasn,t that the year he was drunk every race he erged :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 12th, 2010, 8:56 am

hjs wrote:Wasn,t that the year he was drunk every race he erged?"
Yea, and don't know about you, but I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from racing sober.

So my 6:29.7 that year, done sober, could have been 6:17.7, if I could have dodged the grapes and hops.

Nice!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 12th, 2010, 1:54 pm

ranger wrote:
sentinel93 wrote:Does that not make you a 'bad rower?'
Well, I already have two BIRC golds, one in WR time, the other in championship record time, but if I pull sub-6:20 at BIRC 2010, as I think I might, for my age and weight, I will not only be the best erger that ever was, but in all probability, the best that will ever be.

Interesting prospect.

The row would be historic, some 25 seconds beyond what has been done for 2K by anyone my age and weight.

ranger
One row changes everything.

:D :D

BIRC 2010

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