Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 9:23 am

aharmer wrote:Okay, so everything is perfect
Yes.

At least, in those things that I can control.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 9:25 am

aharmer wrote:You seem 100% confident that 6:20 or so is a given at BIRC.
No, only if i am fully trained.

That will depend on my getting in a full summer of distance rowing, a full range of distance trials, and full sharpening.

The ideal schedule would be to start full sharpening on September 1st.

So I have three months to get in the distance rowing and distance trials.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » June 11th, 2010, 9:26 am

So one day in the mythical future, your body's internal training clock and a public race MIGHT align? What a pile of bullshit. You've fabricated this elaborate web of deceit which allows you to never perform fully trained, yet never admit to not being able to do the impossible. If I'm reading you correctly, we can't count on you performing at the fall events this year because you are not on a schedule and your training may not be where it needs to be in time for the fall. This stated after spewing for months about the records you will be breaking at BIRC. I love these posts where you slip in your excuse months in advance.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 9:31 am

aharmer wrote:I assume you'll be posting workouts such as 8x500 in 1:34
No.

I'll do 20 x 500m @ 1:34.

I'll do 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:31.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 9:34 am

aharmer wrote:So one day in the mythical future, your body's internal training clock and a public race MIGHT align? What a pile of bullshit. You've fabricated this elaborate web of deceit which allows you to never perform fully trained, yet never admit to not being able to do the impossible. If I'm reading you correctly, we can't count on you performing at the fall events this year because you are not on a schedule and your training may not be where it needs to be in time for the fall. This stated after spewing for months about the records you will be breaking at BIRC. I love these posts where you slip in your excuse months in advance.
"Count on me"?

I don't understand this language.

Am I "counting on" you?

You don't have anything to do with what I will or will not do at BIRC.

"Count on" whatever you would like.

I am just training to be the best I can be.

I don't know what you are doing.

"Counting on" others?

Good luck with it.

Watch the popcorn.

It's greasy.

And don't dribble too much mustard on your tie.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by sentinal93 » June 11th, 2010, 9:48 am

ranger wrote: Result:

When they race, their bad training tells the tale.

They just demonstrate how bad they really are.

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Don't you think there's a difference between 'being bad' and just not investing into training? You say that you put in 2-3 hours per day training, so you obviously consider erging a big focus in your life. There are a lot of people that just do it for a hobby or general fitness.

You may disagree with this thought, and instead feel that everyone is always in competition. If that's the case, one's own personal situation doesn't matter: either you perform or you don't.

Alternatively:
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aharmer wrote: aharmer wrote:Okay, so everything is perfect
Yes.

At least, in those things that I can control.

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You also believe that you're only going to perform as well as the influence you have over your training. In this case, you're deciding against yourself on your ability to achieve you're previously stated 'you either perform or not' ideology. It's like Henry Ford said, "You can't build a reputation on something you're going to do."

You're considering other people failures because they aren't good rowers; they haven't lived up to your standards. If you read through this thread though, you have yet to achieve your goals either. Does that not make you a 'bad rower?' If not, other rowers may have the same goals as you do, but they may just be at a point further back in their training from you. If you're considering these rowers 'bad,' how does that cast you?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:02 am

sentinel93 wrote: You say that you put in 2-3 hours per day training, so you obviously consider erging a big focus in your life. There are a lot of people that just do it for a hobby or general fitness.
"Focus in my life"?

No.

I am not a rowing coach.

I have never raced OTW.

I didn't row in high school or college.

I am an English professor.

I have a wife and three children, etc.

I have always done sports as hobbies and for general fitness.

My whole life.

I didn't start rowing until I was 50 years old.

Over the course of my life, competitively, I have done football, basketball, baseball, tennis, track, cross country, road racing, marathon running, speed skating, swimming, and canoeing.

I only started rowing because I could no longer run (because of achilles tendon problems).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » June 11th, 2010, 10:03 am

No.

I'll do 20 x 500m @ 1:34.

I'll do 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:31.


There have been other times when you were supposedly already doing these workouts during your sharpening periods that you later claim never happened. Funny, you never showed one of the screenshots as proof and more importantly never performed in a race to the standards the workouts would indicate. Do you think all the crap you post just disappears? How can you repeatedly lie and change your story when it's all sitting there waiting to make a fool of you? God luck with everything, hopefully some day that internal training clock will have you perfectly prepared at the exact moment your age and weight class are called to the ergs for a public race.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:06 am

sentinel93 wrote:t's like Henry Ford said, "You can't build a reputation on something you're going to do."

You're considering other people failures because they aren't good rowers; they haven't lived up to your standards. If you read through this thread though, you have yet to achieve your goals either. Does that not make you a 'bad rower?' If not, other rowers may have the same goals as you do, but they may just be at a point further back in their training from you. If you're considering these rowers 'bad,' how does that cast you?
I have achieved my goals--repeatedly.

I have three WR rows, and I have won all of the major championships, some more than once, all in championship record times.

This last year, no one my age and weight or older came within 20 seconds of my 2K time.

I pulled WR pace for 2K even though I didn't do any race preparation (anaerobic work).

Goals are always something you are working towards.

It is no argument to say that goals are future-oriented.

If your goals aren't future-oritented, you don't have any goals.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by sentinal93 » June 11th, 2010, 10:10 am

ranger wrote: "Focus in my life"?

No.
ranger wrote: I think I am heading toward 6-hour sessions. Two hours on the erg, two hours on the bike, and two hours on the water. If I start around 4 a.m., I can be done at 10 a.m.
When you're considering 6-hour sessions, that seems like a 'life focus' to me.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:14 am

aharmer wrote:There have been other times when you were supposedly already doing these workouts during your sharpening periods that you later claim never happened.
No.

I haven't done any 8 x 500m sessions (or other sharpening workout: 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, etc.) since 2004.

I never have said that I have, either.

As you point up, your objection, really, is that I _haven't_ done these sessions, not that I have.

I certainly can do them.

But sharpening has nothing to do with getting better, so I have continued to work on things that are more productive.

Nothing else makes any sense.

You don't get better by sharpening.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:15 am

sentinal93 wrote:
ranger wrote: "Focus in my life"?

No.
ranger wrote: I think I am heading toward 6-hour sessions. Two hours on the erg, two hours on the bike, and two hours on the water. If I start around 4 a.m., I can be done at 10 a.m.
When you're considering 6-hour sessions, that seems like a 'life focus' to me.
So what do you do for the other 18 hours in the day?

I am done rowing by breakfast each day.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:23 am

Supposedly, the average American watches seven hours of TV a day.

So is TV a "major focus in their lives"?

No.

They also have jobs, friends, spouses, children, etc.

They just watch TV to relax, when they aren't doing anything else.

I prefer to relax by erging, rowing, biking, running, stepping, swimming, skipping, etc., rather than watching TV.

Just a different preference, I suppose.

Zatopek read while running in place.

He ran on his laundry in order to keep active while washing.

:D :D

His wife was an Olympic javelin thrower.

To relax, they liked to play catch--with the javelin!

:shock: :shock:

Hail, Zatopek!

He was the nuttiest of them all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 10:40 am

sentinel93 wrote:When you're considering 6-hour sessions, that seems like a 'life focus' to me.
Because of my age, I only sleep five hours.

If you sleep nine hours, as I did when I was your age, I do all of my rowing and cross-training while you are asleep.

So, is sleep a "major focus in your life"?

If so, you might want to reconsider.

:D :D

It's o.k. to dream, but there are some more substantial things to do.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 11th, 2010, 11:01 am

sentinel93 wrote:Does that not make you a 'bad rower?'
Well, I already have two BIRC golds, one in WR time, the other in championship record time, but if I pull sub-6:20 at BIRC 2010, as I think I might, for my age and weight, I will not only be the best erger that ever was, but in all probability, the best that will ever be.

Interesting prospect.

The row would be historic, some 25 seconds beyond what has been done for 2K by anyone my age and weight.

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