Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

1:48 @ 24-26 spm, HR in and around UT2, is great everyday training for a 60s lwt.

It would be were it done for an appropriate UT2 distance and WITHOUT BREAKS. Which therefore excludes you..

No, it's great training for a 60s lwt--however it is done.

No need to race your training.

The goal of distance training is an easy, relaxed habituation to effective, efficient stroking.

Steady state

You just need to put in the meters, and the rest takes care of itself.

ranger

[lancs]

No, it's great training for a 60s lwt--however it is done.

No need to race your training.

My point was that your posts always imply that you can do 1:48@ 24 as some comfortable, continuous UT2 piece and I just like to point out that a) You are not doing continuous pieces and b) you cannot do your 'UT2' pace as a continuous longer piece without breaks.

[ranger]

My point was that your posts always imply that you can do 1:48 @ 24 as some comfortable, continuous UT2 piece

Indeed I can.

But reporting what you are doing from day to day is irrelevant to this "performance."

Just do a lot of 1:48 @ 24 spm.

Get used to it.

Put in 10K.

Then put in 20K.

Then put in 30K.

Then put in 40K.

Get it?

Training is not a performance.

It is an opportunity to get better.

ranger

[ranger]

The issue for most 60s lightweights is that they _never_ do 1:48 @ 24 spm--at all.

Not for 500m.

Not for 1K.

Certainly not for 10K, 20K, 30K, 40K.

Never.

They do 2:00 @ 24 spm, etc.

8 SPI rather than 11 SPI.

They train themselves to be bad.

Then, when they race, what do you know?

They turn up bad.

ranger

[bloomp]

The issue for most 60s lightweights is that they _never_ do 1:48 @ 24 spm--at all.

Not for 500m.

Not for 1K.

Certainly not for 10K, 20K, 30K, 40K.

Never.

They do 2:00 @ 24 spm, etc.

8 SPI rather than 11 SPI.

They train themselves to be bad.

Then, when they race, what do you know?

They turn up bad.

ranger

And wow, you're not even 60 yet and you can't either! You can barely do 1:41/500 for 2k! So I would assume you do something like 1:55/500 for 10k+

[Carl Watts]

The issue for most 60s lightweights is that they _never_ do 1:48 @ 24 spm--at all.

Not for 500m.

Not for 1K.

Certainly not for 10K, 20K, 30K, 40K.

Never.

They do 2:00 @ 24 spm, etc.

8 SPI rather than 11 SPI.

They train themselves to be bad.

Then, when they race, what do you know?

They turn up bad.

ranger

There must be a reason why there are no 1:48 ave/500M results for the 10K,20K Blah Blah Blah...maybe it's because it's impossible for a 60's lightweight ?

So essentially you’re insulting all of those guys who have actually posted a result before you’re even in that age bracket !

Henry Baker appears to be at the top of the list for the 10K with a time of 37:52.8 which is a few seconds faster than my 2010 PB. That is impressive stuff indeed.

I think you should try and look at it from their point of view, as far as they are concerned YOU DON'T EXIST because you never post any verified results. You may as well pack up your Erg because if you cannot post your just wasting your time and you’re sure wasting everyone else's on this forum until you can substantiate your wild claims.

[ranger]

You can barely do 1:41/500 for 2k! So I would assume you do something like 1:55/500 for 10k+

10K is done at TR + 8, AT + 3, UT1 - 2, UT2 - 7.

That's why rowing along at 1:48 @ 24 spm and a UT2 HR is such great training.

UT2 rowing is easy.

You can do it for a couple of hours a day with no adverse effects (staleness, sickness, injury, stress).

Mike VB can do 1:48 @ 24 spm with a HR of 150 bpm, too, but for him, that is AT, 90% HRR, a maximal 5K trial.

ranger

[ranger]

I think you should try and look at it from their point of view, as far as they are concerned YOU DON'T EXIST because you never post any verified results.

Say what?

Not true at all.

No one my age or older came within 20 seconds of my 2K time last year, and I was racing without any anaerobic training, either sharpening or distance trials.

I can get a dozen seconds each over 2K from sharpening and distance trials, which I am adding to my race preparation this year.

So my 6:41 last year is _very_ encouraging.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE
11 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 7:12.5 RACE
12 Michael Brownjohn 61 Totalfitness4u Essex GBR 7:12.8 RACE
13 John Exley 62 Oxford City Athletic Club GBR 7:13.3 RACE
14 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 7:13.8 IND_V
15 Gregory Reddan 63 AUS 7:15.7 RACE
16 Timothy Foley 61 Coopersburg PA USA 7:15.9 IND
17 Stephen Sepe 60 Katonah NY USA 7:16.2 IND
18 Tony Winfield 66 Team Slaughterhouse GBR 7:16.5 RACE
19 Steve Schaffran 66 Richmond CA USA 7:16.6 IND
20 David Aldridge 61 Thames Ergers GBR 7:17.9 RACE

Looks to me as though I exist.

Why would you say that I don't?

If your/their point of view is that I don't exist, it is time that you/they change their point of view.

ranger

[lancs]

Get it?

Yes, I get it thanks.

And actually, I don't believe you can complete a 10k @ 1:48, 24spm as a comfirtable UT2 row. Infact I'd wonder whether you could complete a 10k at 1:48 at all. Until you post us a screenshot, I'll continue to not believe you. This mistrust has arisen from years of your incessant lying..

[ranger]

26 spm is an important rate for me.

Base pace?

I need to be able to do comfortable 60min/HM rows @ 26 spm, on a daily basis, HR in the low 160s.

I seem to be approaching that now.

At 26 spm, I now go 1:46.

ranger

[ranger]

Yes, I get it thanks.

So I exist after all?

Whaddya know?



And my 2K this last year was five seconds per 500m better than any else my age and weight, without even trying?

Whaddya know?

My training must be pretty darn good, no?

Whaddya know?

When I add sharpening and distance trials, I'll get another 25 seconds over 2K.

Then things will _really_ get exciting.

ranger

[redzone]

Now, as I approach distance trials, it is certainly important to do daily 60min rows against the clock, though.

Now that you appear to be fully recovered after your fall. When do you think you will be able to do the first of these?

[lancs]

Yes, I get it thanks.

So I exist after all?

I'm trying to work out how you misattribute quotes continually. It takes some effort to do it. Is it part of your personality disorder?

[ranger]

Now, as I approach distance trials, it is certainly important to do daily 60min rows against the clock, though.

Now that you appear to be fully recovered after your fall. When do you think you will be able to do the first of these?

My right hand, wrist, arm, and shoulder are indeed getting better, although I am still taping my hand to the handle.

My fingers and wrist are still weak, and I can't hold on to the handle very long into a session.

ranger

[ranger]

There must be a reason why there are no 1:48 ave/500M results for the 10K,20K Blah Blah Blah...maybe it's because it's impossible for a 60's lightweight ?

On the contrary.

1:40 pace for 2K predicts 1:48 pace for 10K.

10K is done at 2K + 8.

When he was 61, Brian Bailey set the 60s lwt 10K WR at 35:54.7.

On the other hand, when I race it, I am not going to do 10K @ 1:48.

I am going to do 10K @ 1:42.

I'll rate 30 spm, not 24 spm.

10K is done at AT + 3, not UT2.

ranger