Ranger's training thread

[Citroen]

Dougie--

If you are the best on the erg for your age and weight, you are not a troll on this forum.

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ranger

I'm not the best erger and neither are you.
But you ARE a troll.

[Citroen]

Would you say he's predictable Paul?

Unlike Ranger's unreported ergo performances and his mis-reported biking.

[ranger]

neither are you.

Liar.

ranger

[nysaag]

Ranger is a liar, a cheat, and a troll.

[Citroen]

neither are you.

Liar.

ranger

If you're so fantastic then prove it. Post that screen shot of that mythical 17K hour with 150 bpm HR that you claim to be able to do.

Please explain how your 6:41 2K is better than Roy's documented age group record 2K?

And while we're at it just pop down to your cellar and pull that 6:16 you're "easily able to do as a UT2 row" and get it logged as IND_V.

[ranger]

If you're so fantastic then prove it. Post that screen shot of that mythical 17K hour with 150 bpm HR that you claim to be able to do.

Please explain how your 6:41 2K is better than Roy's documented age group record 2K?

I said that I am _right now_ the best for my age and weight.

I have been for the last two years.

Not sure what claims your are making.

Prove it?

Already did, without even trying.

This last year, no one my age and weight (or older) came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 Gregory Brock 62 Santa Cruz CA USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE

No 55s lightweights came within six seconds, even though they are younger.

Just facts, Dougie.

In denying the facts, you're a liar.

ranger

[bloomp]

Rich, I would suggest SHUTTING YOUR MOUTH. Maybe you don't understand how a private forum works, but once you piss off the mods you're just going to get banned. Do you enjoy 'enlightening' us with your training? Then don't piss Citroen off.

But at any rate, you're just going to end up annoying us continuously for the next god knows how many years and he'll end up banning you then. Either now or later - want to save us the pain of listening to your blabber?

Are you by any chance one of those silly 'tea party' members, who claim Obama is a nazi because he implements socialist policies? Your understanding of politics/history (by claiming the moderation of an online forum is the same thing as genocide) makes me thing you have just as small of a mind as those close-minded God-fearing idiots that are suddenly finding faith in individuals like Glenn Beck.

[ranger]

Do you think Roy will race on the erg again?

I doubt it.

For him, there is nowhere to go but down, now.

If he races this next year, he'll have a hard time breaking 6:50.

I think I have a good chance of pulling a lightweight sub-6:20, but before and after I turn 60.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you by any chance one of those silly 'tea party' members, who claim Obama is a nazi because he implements socialist policies? Your understanding of politics/history (by claiming the moderation of an online forum is the same thing as genocide) makes me thing you have just as small of a mind as those close-minded God-fearing idiots that are suddenly finding faith in individuals like Glenn Beck.

Yes, we differ on politics.

But the biggest difference between us is that I recognize this difference.

Like many liberals, you clearly don't.

So, do you think we should take seconds from winners of erg races and give those seconds to the losers?

Wouldn't that be more "just"?

No one likes to lose.

It hurts your feelings to lose, and pain, especially emotional pain, is inhumane.

How much work we put into training shouldn't bear on rewards from outcomes.

We are all equal--as human beings.

We are all "winners," no matter how lazy or untalented we are.

ranger

[aharmer]

If you're going to speak of facts, why don't we use actual facts. Your age group and weight class is 55-59 heavyweight. By exercising for 40+ hours a week you can dehydrate and squeeze down to lightweight for competition. 99% of the year you are a heavyweight. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you the 1% for lightweight comparison. Whether you like it or not, any comparison outside the 55-59 year old lightweights is an outright lie. Nothing else matters. In the sport of erging it has been decided that 59 year olds will be compared equally against 55 year olds. You don't get to change those rules because it looks better on your little cut and paste jobs. When you turn 60 I highly doubt you'll be comparing yourselves to 59 year olds, even though they're much closer to your age than the 62-64 year olds that you're really competing against.

[bloomp]

Are you by any chance one of those silly 'tea party' members, who claim Obama is a nazi because he implements socialist policies? Your understanding of politics/history (by claiming the moderation of an online forum is the same thing as genocide) makes me thing you have just as small of a mind as those close-minded God-fearing idiots that are suddenly finding faith in individuals like Glenn Beck.

Yes, we differ on politics.

But the biggest difference between us is that I recognize this difference.

Like many liberals, you clearly don't.

So, do you think we should take seconds from winners of erg races and give those seconds to the losers?

Wouldn't that be more "just"?

No one likes to lose.

It hurts your feelings to lose, and pain, especially emotional pain, is inhumane.

How much work we put into training shouldn't bear on rewards from outcomes.

We are all equal--as human beings.

We are all "winners," no matter how lazy or untalented we are.

ranger

Do you really want to talk politics? Because I really don't mind derailing this thread to prove how stupid you really are.

[ranger]

By exercising for 40+ hours a week you can dehydrate and squeeze down to lightweight for competition. 99% of the year you are a heavyweight.

The exercise reduces fat, not water.

I need to be about 10% body fat to make weight.

I lose the fat I need to lose during racing season by increasing my cross-training, rather than by starving.

Almost elite lightweights do the same.

Even Lance loses 10 pounds just before the beginning.of the Tour.

All else equal, It is a competitive advantage in rowing and biking to be lean.

The average elite rower is 9% body fat.

To race as a lightweight, I need to be just about that lean, too.

Nothing unusual about this at all.

Over the last five years, Rocket Roy has been a heavyweight 99.9% of the time.

He has to lose weight to row as a lightweight, too.

I hear that Tom Kaye liked to walk around at close to 190 lbs.

To race as a lightweight OTW, he would lose 30 lbs.

Mike Caviston likes to walk around at about 175 lbs.

ranger

[ranger]

When you turn 60 I highly doubt you'll be comparing yourselves to 59 year olds

No, indeed.

When I am 60 at WIRC 2011, I will compare my row to 40-year-olds.

My goal is to row 6:16, which is well under Caviston's 40s lwt WR.

ranger

[ranger]

Do you really want to talk politics? Because I really don't mind derailing this thread to prove how stupid you really are.

Political differences are not about intelligence and stupidity, although liberals like you (stupidly) think so.

Ad hominem arguments are no arguments at all.

They are just snobbery, or viciousness.

ranger

[ranger]

Whether you like it or not, any comparison outside the 55-59 year old lightweights is an outright lie.

No, not at all.

It is pretty important, really.

For instance, at WIRC 2011, I will be a 60s lwt. Roy and Mike won't.

At WIRC 2012, Mike still won't be a 60s lwt.

In the older age groups, almost all WRs have been set when the rower enters the age group.

My three WR rows in 2003, when I was 52, were glaring exceptions.

ranger