Ranger's training thread

[whp4]

I also bite.

If only you paid your gambling debts

Sure, I didn't prepare to race.

I just trained through my races.

But even so, I pulled WR pace for 2K this year, and no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K time.

Nice cherry-picking of the data there. Everyone else compares themselves to their entire age group, not just the 3 people about to leave it, 4 if we count you...

[hjs]

Ranger-

When are you going to pay Henry the money you owe him?

No worry.

Henry is an upstanding guy.

When I hit my targets, Henry will pay me the $2000 he will owe me.

ranger

This replay 100 % sums up the man's character, he is a liar, a cheat, and a freud.

[nysaag]

Ranger-

When are you going to pay Henry the money you owe him?

No worry.

Henry is an upstanding guy.

When I hit my targets, Henry will pay me the $2000 he will owe me.

ranger

This replay 100 % sums up the man's character, he is a liar, a cheat, and a freud.

And, we listen to this BOZO because....

[nycbone]

This replay 100 % sums up the man's character, he is a liar, a cheat, and a freud.

Ah... that explains a lot.

[JohnBove]

Sure, I didn't prepare to race.

I just trained through my races.

You keep repeating this, although you also said, repeatedly, at the time, that you were sharpening, about to begin sharpening, etc. So you lied then or you are lying now. But, that aside, your (endlessly) repeated claims that you weren't fully trained (after seven years of multi-hour workouts (and never missing a day! or ever feeling fatigued!)) only have meaning if one assumes that everyone else, or at least your most worthy competitors were fully trained. But you put in more hours than any of them and all year around, as you bray about constantly. So the fact that you weren't "fully" trained, is a meaningless dodge. You put in many more hours of training than your competitors and still cruised in some three seconds behind Roy's (soft) world record. Way to go.

But even so, I pulled WR pace for 2K this year, and no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K time.

You were, as noted, a full three seconds off world record pace and some 11 (or 25) seconds off your bloated predictions. And you were some six seconds better than MIke, not twenty. And Mike trains only to supplement his OTW rowing.

And you're a welsher. Your coming on here and mincing around about it, thinking you're cute and funny (smiley face! smilely face!) is particularly loathsome.

[hjs]

And, we listen to this BOZO because....

He exist, nothing more, nothing less.

That's the internet, one can be around, people can try to ignore them, but that will not happen for 100%, the results are numerous threads like this.

[ranger]

Sure, I didn't prepare to race.

I just trained through my races.

You keep repeating this, although you also said, repeatedly, at the time, that you were sharpening, about to begin sharpening, etc. So you lied then or you are lying now. But, that aside, your (endlessly) repeated claims that you weren't fully trained (after seven years of multi-hour workouts (and never missing a day! or ever feeling fatigued!)) only have meaning if one assumes that everyone else, or at least your most worthy competitors were fully trained. But you put in more hours than any of them and all year around, as you bray about constantly. So the fact that you weren't "fully" trained, is a meaningless dodge. You put in many more hours of training than your competitors and still cruised in some three seconds behind Roy's (soft) world record. Way to go.

But even so, I pulled WR pace for 2K this year, and no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K time.

You were, as noted, a full three seconds off world record pace and some 11 (or 25) seconds off your bloated predictions. And you were some six seconds better than MIke, not twenty. And Mike trains only to supplement his OTW rowing.

And you're a welsher. Your coming on here and mincing around about it, thinking you're cute and funny (smiley face! smilely face!) is particularly loathsome.

I don't do any more work than Roy. When he set his WR, he did double sessions on the erg, with an hour of cross-training after each session on his bike. Four hours a day?

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from sharpening.Without sharpening, Rocket Roy and Mike VB would be a dozen seconds slower over 2K. I haven't sharpened since 2003.

My 6:41 at 59 years old, which I did without sharpening, is equal to 6:27 at 50, 6:34 at 55. 50s rowers decline at a rate of 1.7 seconds a year.

When they are 60, Mike VB and Rocket Roy will have a hard time pulling 6:50, if they are racing at all. Unsharpened, they would have a hard time breaking 7:00.

This next year, when I am 60, I have a good chance of pulling sub-6:20.

ranger

[lancs]

This next year, when I am 60, I have a good chance of pulling sub-6:20.

Just in case there is anyone new reading this thread, Ranger has, infact, no chance whatsoever of pulling anything remotely like a sub-6:20. He'll do very well to break 6:40 again, as his results have proven over the last 4 or 5 years.

He has no evidence whatsoever to suggest he will come close to 6:30 again.

Always feel I have to clear that point up..

[ranger]

Yep.

1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI) is now a groove.

Easy, natural, HR 155-160 bpm.

Nice everyday rowing.

25 spm si a perfect rate for this sort of rowing.

Very relaxed stuff, neither low rate nor high.

All I need to do is work this rowing out to FM length and the game is won.

Lovin' the low drag.

123 df.

I now use the full slide in my distance rowing.

Great compression at the catch.

I am only a few inclhes from front stops.

Big legs.

ranger

[ranger]

He has no evidence whatsoever to suggest he will come close to 6:30 again.

The evidence is everywhere, lancs, in both my racing and my everyday rowing.

And when it comes along in a form you will be willing to believe, you'll just flip-flop and agree.

So all the sturm und drang here is irrelevant.

That you have no patience doesn't mean that I don't.

Ironically, it is someone _your_ age and weight that is pulling 6:16 for 2K, not my age and weight.

I could be your father.

This year, no one my age or older pulled 7:00 for 2K.

Nonetheless, the chances that I am going to pull 6:16 at 60 look _very_ good at the moment while the chances that you will even pull sub-6:30 at 37 are fading fast.

The difference between our age divisions is 36 seconds over 2K, nine seconds per 500m.

ranger

[hjs]

This next year, when I am 60, I have a good chance of pulling sub-6:20.

Just in case there is anyone new reading this thread, Ranger has, infact, no chance whatsoever of pulling anything remotely like a sub-6:20. He'll do very well to break 6:40 again, as his results have proven over the last 4 or 5 years.

He has no evidence whatsoever to suggest he will come close to 6:30 again.

Always feel I have to clear that point up..

And even that 6.40 seems very unlikely, the nutty pro is not capable to keep his weight in check, out of season he can,t stop eating and drinking (poor liver ), so every season he has to get his weight down. That takes his months, if he succedes that is, some years he doesn,t.

This year he predicted to row 6.28 in his first race, it turned out to be a 7.09

[redzone]

1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI) is now a groove.

Easy, natural, HR 155-160 bpm.

If this actually were the case, why are you unable to do a FM, HM or even 60 minutes at this pace?

You would be at what should be an extremely comfortable heart rate if your claimed maximum is correct. You have previously stated that you are already maximally aerobically trained so no more work to do there. Sharpening plays no part in this either as the row would be purely aerobic.

I really don't understand what would cause you to stop rowing. You wouldn't be fatigued so it must be something else. Do you somehow get distracted part way through and have to stop?

[ranger]

1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI) is now a groove.

Easy, natural, HR 155-160 bpm.

If this actually were the case, why are you unable to do a FM, HM or even 60 minutes at this pace?

You would be at what should be an extremely comfortable heart rate if your claimed maximum is correct. You have previously stated that you are already maximally aerobically trained so no more work to do there. Sharpening plays no part in this either as the row would be purely aerobic.

I really don't understand what would cause you to stop rowing. You wouldn't be fatigued so it must be something else. Do you somehow get distracted part way through and have to stop?

Yes, there is no _physiological_ reason to stop.

The issues are just technical, making sure I take good strokes.

I don't let my technique deteriorate.

If it does, I take a break, correct the problem, and re-focus.

I have been rowing for almost 10 years.

I have only been doing distance rowing at 123 df. for a couple of months.

So I am just getting used to it.

I rowed my 2Ks this winter at max drag (200+ df.).

Pretty different affair.

I am not trying to improve my fitness.

My fitness has been maximal for a decade.

I am drilling my technique, working on technical effectiveness and efficiency.

If my HR is 172 bpm when I am pulling 1:48, as it was back in 2002-2003, at 60 years old, eight years later, I am not going to raise my anaerobic threshold to 190 bpm so that I can pull 1:44 for an hour.

That's absurd.

So what I have done is improve my technique, given the same effort.

I now pull 1:48 at a HR of 155-160 bpm.

And sure enough, that might make it so that I can pull 1:44 for 60min at a HR of 172 bpm.

We'll soon see.

ranger

[ranger]

Do you somehow get distracted part way through and have to stop?

Indeed.

11 SPI is a pretty big stroke for a little old guy to use for distance rowing.

As I mentioned, technically, it is in the range of a dozen seconds per 500m better than anyone my age and weight has ever done.

The 60s lwt WR for a FM is 2:00 pace.

At 25 spm, that's 8 SPI, no 11 SPI.

My stroke is 40% bigger.



ranger

[lancs]

The evidence is everywhere, lancs, in both my racing and my everyday rowing.

And when it comes along in a form you will be willing to believe, you'll just flip-flop and agree.

If you ever do produce the evidence, of course I'll agree. The trouble is, this is all dependant upon 'ifs' again. As usual.

For example, why is it you cannot row a continuous 10k at your easy FM pace of 1:48? I have trouble understanding this, can you please explain?