Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 10:20 am

Steve G wrote:Did you do the hour on the road at 24.7 mph?
If it was on the turbo it is worthless, any fool can do that with low resistance!
You have a Garmin, get on the road and do some real riding!
I checked my riding with the Garmin last year.

I ride about 20 mph on the road when I cross-train.

No race.

I am just relaxing and enjoying the ride.

New equipment will help.

I'll get a new bike over the next couple of weeks.

My bike is 20 years old--and trashed.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 10:29 am

Hour stationary bike ride at 25.7 mph (according to my gizmo) this morning, after 10K on the erg.

Love the sweat that the stationary biking produces.

Deluge.

BTW, a couple of days ago, I was sweating so hard on my bike that I shorted out my new iPod Touch, which I wear on my arm.

It started to stobe. Then it quit entirely. Then it lit up but went blank. Then it got really hot. It hasn't worked since.

The Apple store here said it had a complete meltdown--and gave me another to replace it.

Nice customer relations.

The Apple store here bends over backwards to do things for you.

My daughter just bought a MacBook Pro, but just after Apple's promotion that included a free iPod Touch with the purchase.

She told her story to the people here and they returned her computer, re-sold it back to her, and threw in the iPod Touch in the (second) purchase.

Sweet.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » June 1st, 2010, 10:51 am

ranger wrote:
I usually get about 110-120 Newtons of peak power.

At the moment, I am only getting 75 kgs.
Maybe if you ask nicely, one of the guys in the physics for poets class could straighten you out on the difference between units of force and units of mass.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 10:59 am

hjs wrote:Is this the beginning of the final retreat?, it very well could be, using and "injure" that won,t "heal" to step away
I'll be rowing when I am 90, Henry.

I have only been injured/sick for a few weeks in 10 years of rowing.

Amazing record of health, really, given the quantity and quality of training that I do.

I have never been stale, even though I don't take rest days.

I row hard every day--and usually cross-train before/after I row, too.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 11:22 am

whp4 wrote:
ranger wrote:
I usually get about 110-120 Newtons of peak power.

At the moment, I am only getting 75 Newtons.
Maybe if you ask nicely, one of the guys in the physics for poets class could straighten you out on the difference between units of force and units of mass.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » June 1st, 2010, 12:53 pm

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:Is this the beginning of the final retreat?, it very well could be, using and "injure" that won,t "heal" to step away
I'll be rowing when I am 90, Henry.

I have only been injured/sick for a few weeks in 10 years of rowing.

Amazing record of health, really, given the quantity and quality of training that I do.

I have never been stale, even though I don't take rest days.

I row hard every day--and usually cross-train before/after I row, too.

ranger

For someone who is never stale you race very poorly :lol: between you best en worse there is 30 seconds or more, To me that's not juste stale but almost cripple :twisted:

You don,t make it to a 90, you drink way to much for that, you liver won,t take the abuse :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 2:03 pm

hjs wrote:For someone who is never stale you race very poorly
Hardly.

6:27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, etc.

No 50s lwt has ever raced any better.

Next year, I will extend this series down the other way.

6:26, 6:25, 6:24.5, 6:24, 6:22, 6:21, 6:20, etc.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 1st, 2010, 2:08 pm

hjs wrote:You don,t make it to a 90, you drink way to much for that, you liver won,t take the abuse
You should worry about getting to 60 first, Henry, before you make judgments about 90.

At 60, I feel great.

Best ever.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » June 1st, 2010, 3:28 pm

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:For someone who is never stale you race very poorly
Hardly.

6:27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, etc.

No 50s lwt has ever raced any better.

Next year, I will extend this series down the other way.

6:26, 6:25, 6:24.5, 6:24, 6:22, 6:21, 6:20, etc.

ranger
You forgot a whole bunch of 7+ and DNF results in your list! You are like the stock market hucksters who only talk about their picks that make money, ignoring all the calls that lost serious coin...

Also, you told us you were going to extend the series down this past season, but you didn't even match the previous year's results, much less improve on Roy's WR....

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by nysaag » June 1st, 2010, 4:20 pm

Ranger-

Have you paid Henry the money you owe him as a result of losing your bet?

How can anyone listen to a person who fails to pay his just debts?

You are fond of inserting Mike into your blather. No one has accused Mike of reneging on his bets.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JohnBove » June 1st, 2010, 5:32 pm

ranger wrote::27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, etc.

No 50s lwt has ever raced any better.
You hold neither the WR for 50-55 LW, nor 55-60 LW. So this is clearly a lie. A bunch of nice times, but no cigar. All your times eclipsed by better performers.
Next year, I will extend this series down the other way.

6:26, 6:25, 6:24.5, 6:24, 6:22, 6:21, 6:20, etc.
You bark this shite every year -- including the one just past -- and repeatedly fail.

It's endlessly amusing, by the way, the degree to which MIke and Roy stick in your craw. The one whose record you can't get close to (unless you think three seconds is close), and the other an OTW rower who you wouldn't dare race in that environment and whose off-season training on the erg wins him a hammer while you labor away in your basement for endless hours a day (assuming you're not lying) and produce a time marginally better than his and numerous times far worse.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 2nd, 2010, 2:49 am

JohnBove wrote:It's endlessly amusing, by the way, the degree to which MIke and Roy stick in your craw. The one whose record you can't get close to (unless you think three seconds is close), and the other an OTW rower who you wouldn't dare race in that environment and whose off-season training on the erg wins him a hammer while you labor away in your basement for endless hours a day (assuming you're not lying) and produce a time marginally better than his and numerous times far worse.
Mike and Roy have never come close to my times on the erg, not this last year, nor in their best year.

Roy only has a couple of rows at 6:38. All the rest are above 6:42.

I have half a dozen races under 6:30.

This next year, both Roy and Mike will have a hard time pulling 6:50, a dozen seconds off of what Roy pulled five years ago.

On this other hand, this next year, I think I will have a good chance of pulling under 6:20.

I couldn't get to Boston/WIRC for the last couple of years.

Planes didn't fly because of snow.

This was just accidental.

Sure, Mike VB is _much_ better than I am OTW.

He has been rowing OTW for 40 years. He is a OTW rowing coach.

I am a novice OTW. I am just learning. I am an English professor.

I look forward to racing OTW when I am more skilled, though.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » June 2nd, 2010, 3:52 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:For someone who is never stale you race very poorly
Hardly.

6:27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, etc.

No 50s lwt has ever raced any better.

ranger

Why don, you ad results from after 2003 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: King of failure

Or is it not your liver but your short term memory that is giving in :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 2nd, 2010, 4:12 am

Ah,

Back to normal stroking power, albeit with the help of some tape,

I have figured out how to tape my right hand to the handle so that my stroke is stable again at the catch.

With the tape, I again get 110 kgs. of peak pressure and pull 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI).

Back on track.

I just need to do this 25 spm for a FM and the game is won.

HR 155 bom, 75% HRR

123 df.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 2nd, 2010, 4:16 am

hjs wrote:King of failure
Indeed.

Thanks for the compliment.

Success after success only predicts failure.

If you are always succeeding, you are playing it safe, setting low goals for yourself, loafing.

It is only failure after failure that predicts success.

If you are always failing, you have high goals and are trying your best.

And that's all you have to do to succeed.

Henry, you are just paddling along, 30 seconds off the pace of those your age and weight.

Why?

That's neither fun nor admirable.

It's just drudgery, a roaring bore.

Sure, I still haven't yet achieved my goals.

But these goals are so high that I still pulled WR pace for 2K and no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of what I did achieve.

And as far as I can tell, I still have a good chance of succeeding if I just continue to train as I am.

1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI) for a FM (75% HRR) predicts a 6:16/1:34 2K.

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