Ranger's training thread

[chgoss]

"All I have to do is row continuously what I now take breaks doing, and the job is done"

Yep. That's just how intervals work, Chad.For instance, in 8 x 500 (3:30 rest), you do twice the distance, somewhat faster, taking 25 minutes rest for 12 minutes of rowing, and not working as hard as you do in a race, either. And it prepares you very nicely for racing.

aye, well, that's the subtle madness in your method...

8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 would predict a 7min 2k.
but, that's not how you would interpret that session, is it
you would say "I did 38.5 minutes(the duration of the 8x500 session including the rests) at 1:45"

bottom line, 8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 predicts that person can do 7 minutes at 1:45, not 38 minutes at 1:45...

[ranger]

"All I have to do is row continuously what I now take breaks doing, and the job is done"

Yep. That's just how intervals work, Chad.For instance, in 8 x 500 (3:30 rest), you do twice the distance, somewhat faster, taking 25 minutes rest for 12 minutes of rowing, and not working as hard as you do in a race, either. And it prepares you very nicely for racing.

aye, well, that's the subtle madness in your method...

8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 would predict a 7min 2k.
but, that's not how you would interpret that session, is it
you would say "I did 38.5 minutes(the duration of the 8x500 session including the rests) at 1:45"

bottom line, 8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 predicts that person can do 7 minutes at 1:45, not 38 minutes at 1:45...

Yes, exactly.

Now, you've got it.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:31 predicts a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

Chad--

I am rowing 1:47 at about a 155 bpm heart rate, steady state.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

So, I should do it easily for an hour, just about as easily do it for HM, and, pushing all out, with difficulty, do it for a FM.

ranger

[whp4]

Chad--

I am rowing 1:47 at about a 155 bpm heart rate, steady state.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

So, I should do it easily for an hour, just about as easily do it for HM, and, pushing all out, with difficulty, do it for a FM.

ranger

You should, but you aren't, because you can't...

[chgoss]

Chad--
I am rowing 1:47 at about a 155 bpm heart rate, steady state. My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm. So, I should do it easily for an hour, just about as easily do it for HM, and, pushing all out, with difficulty, do it for a FM.

The "logic" you have in your post, uses the same logic that says that a 8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 predicts that person can do 38 minutes at 1:45... which of course is flawed.. not that you'll ever consciously accept that...

[ranger]

Chad--
I am rowing 1:47 at about a 155 bpm heart rate, steady state. My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm. So, I should do it easily for an hour, just about as easily do it for HM, and, pushing all out, with difficulty, do it for a FM.

The "logic" you have in your post, uses the same logic that says that a 8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 predicts that person can do 38 minutes at 1:45

No, it doesn't.

Steady state rowing is just that--steady state.

The question is: What %HRR are you at when you are pulling 1:47 @ 28 spm?

1:47 for 5K predicts a 6:48 2K.

1:47 for 6K predicts a 6:44 2K.

1:47 for 30 min predicts a 6:40 2K.

1:47 for 10K predicts a 6:36 2K.

1:47 for 60min predicts a 6:28 2K.

1:47 for a HM predicts a 6:24 2K.

1:47 for a FM predicts a 6:12 2K.

Mike VB can't do 5K at 1:47.

Why?

1:47 is a bit _beyond_ Mike's AT.

How far up this distance ladder can I get?

If I am only running a HR of 155 bpm when I am pulling 1:47, I can get all the way to a FM.

A FM is done at 5K + 9.

ranger

[chgoss]

Chad--
I am rowing 1:47 at about a 155 bpm heart rate, steady state. My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm. So, I should do it easily for an hour, just about as easily do it for HM, and, pushing all out, with difficulty, do it for a FM.

The "logic" you have in your post, uses the same logic that says that a 8x500 r3:30 @ 1:45 predicts that person can do 38 minutes at 1:45

No, it doesn't.Steady state rowing is just that--steady state.1:47 for 60min predicts a 6:28 2K.1:47 for a HM predicts a 6:24 2K. 1:47 for a FM predicts a 6:12 2K.

1:47 for 60min predicts a 6:28 2K: true
1:47 for 60min predicts 1:47 for a FM: false

It's the latter that you always try to use, and where your "logic" goes off the rails...

[ranger]

1:47 for 60min predicts a 6:28 2K: true
1:47 for 60min predicts 1:47 for a FM: false

For me, 60min can be done at 87% HRR, 172 bpm, top-end UT1.

155 bpm is 75% HRR, low UT1.

I can do a FM at 155 bpm.

No logical problem here at all.

ranger

[lancs]

So how come you can't do 30 mins at 1:47?

[chgoss]

1:47 for 60min predicts a 6:28 2K: true
1:47 for 60min predicts 1:47 for a FM: false

For me, 60min can be done at 87% HRR, 172 bpm, top-end UT1. 155 bpm is 75% HRR, low UT1. I can do a FM at 155 bpm.
No logical problem here at all. ranger

realize that you are trying to make the case that if you can do 1:47 for 60 minutes, you can do 1:47 for 2 and a half hours.

all one has to do, is look at the records for ranking distances to see that as distance increases, so does the time/500m.

Look at reality rich...

[ranger]

realize that you are trying to make the case that if you can do 1:47 for 60 minutes, you can do 1:47 for 2 and a half hours.

Nope.

The case I am making is this:

If I can pull 1:47 at 155 bpm, steady state, I can do it for a FM.

No need to get the logic wrong, bone head.

ranger

[aharmer]

Chad, the only thing he truly intends to do is verbally spar with everybody. Nobody will ever change his mind or convince him to show proof of his assinine training methods. We'll just have to wait until BIRC (when is it?), and then all we have to look forward to is which bullshit excuse he's able to come up with for not showing up or underperforming. As Byron hysterically pointed out, within a three day period he goes from hard sharpening to never sharpening and back. Clearly he's nothing more than a pathological liar that is addicted to this message board and can't leave it alone for more than an hour. He'll read this within 15 minutes, maybe he can resist and wait for an hour or two before he responds. Unless of course he's drinking heavily today, then his rage will get the best of him and it will be an immediate rebuttal.

[KevJGK]

Injured myself yesterday in a fall.

Fell off of my front steps onto the sidwalk ..........

.....Unless of course he's drinking heavily today.....

I wonder how he fell off his step?

Did somebody moved it?

Did he forget it was there?

[chgoss]

realize that you are trying to make the case that if you can do 1:47 for 60 minutes, you can do 1:47 for 2 and a half hours.

Nope. The case I am making is this: If I can pull 1:47 at 155 bpm, steady state, I can do it for a FM. No need to get the logic wrong, bone head.

_Ad hominem_ arguments arent the first recourse of those with nothing to say rich, name calling is

[rjw]

realize that you are trying to make the case that if you can do 1:47 for 60 minutes, you can do 1:47 for 2 and a half hours.

Nope.

The case I am making is this:

If I can pull 1:47 at 155 bpm, steady state, I can do it for a FM.

No need to get the logic wrong, bone head.

ranger

Rich - again, you have not provided one shred of tangible evidence to support your claims. Oh, and by the way, if you are pulling 1:47 at 155 BPM can you post a screen shot?

No!

Didn't think so!