The Two Types of Training

[PaulH]

This fall, I will go to BIRC and blow Roy's 55s lwt WR completely away, perhaps by as much as 20 seconds.

Don't you mean your "intention" is to do that? After all, you've said you *will* do various impressive feats over and over, and yet somehow you didn't manage to.

[lancs]

Evidence is already produced,, Lancs.

2K in 6:29.7, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 500r30 @ 1:30.

I'm afraid these being 4 years ago and completed as a hwt means these times, whilst impressive, do not contribute at all to your claims as they stand here in 2010. Good attempt at misleading us again though..

[snowleopard]

Roy never rowed faster than 6:42 at BIRC, EIRC, or WIRC.

That's pretty puzzling, if he is really capable of 6:34.

An erg race is just a race against the clock.

You claim you are capable of 6:16 as a lwt. Since 2003 you have never rowed faster than 6:40 in lwt competition.

That's pretty puzzling, if you really are capable of 6:16.

[hjs]

I am not the best? On what grounds do you say that? Without even preparing for racing, I have had the best 2K times in the 55s lwts for the last two years, this year by six seconds, even though I am 59. No one my age and weight (or older) came within 20 seconds of pulling 6:41. On the other hand, coaches such as Paul Smith, who worked with Rocket Roy, didn't improve his times a whit. Before Paul started working with Roy, Roy pulled 6:38. After Paul worked with Roy, Roy pulled 6:38, and only once. Most of the time he pulled 6:42 or slower. Now, Roy will have a hard time pulling 6:50. I don't find coaching of this sort any better than my own. In fact, I find it much worse.

ranger

Again a Lie

Roy pulled a 6.34, you know that Dangy, if needed both he and Paul can show that result.

Not in competition, where a "weight-cutter" lightweight such as Roy must submit to externally imposed schedules for weigh-ins, race times, and so forth.

If Roy could really row 6:34, he should have done it in competition, repeatedly, as I did with my sub-6:30 efforts. But he never came close. In fact, besides one 6:38 effort, all of his other rows were 6:42 or slower.

Roy never rowed faster than 6:42 at BIRC, EIRC, or WIRC.

That's pretty puzzling, if he is really capable of 6:34.

An erg race is just a race against the clock.

ranger

He did row that 6.34 Not in a race true, but nevertheless he did. In his races he always went for the place not the time.

Remember head to head agains you, he always won, a 100% score, although you are "faster"
And he has the Wr in the division you are in, although it is "weak" accourding to you. In 4 years time you tried at least 15 times and did not break it.

He also never rowed plus 7 minute races and also never handled down like you did. He showed up and did the best he could, always enough tyo beat you

On the weight front you are right, he has the same problem as you, after the season you both can,t stop eating.

[ranger]

He also never rowed plus 7 minute races and also never handled down like you did.

Yes, he has.

Your memory is short.

ranger

[ranger]

In his races he always went for the place not the time.

Not when he didn't win.

And when he didn't win, he went just the same pace, pretty much, that he went when he won.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he could go faster in competition.

ranger

[ranger]

You claim you are capable of 6:16 as a lwt. Since 2003 you have never rowed faster than 6:40 in lwt competition.
That's pretty puzzling, if you really are capable of 6:16.

Sure, if my training were complete and I was training to race, when I raced.

But my training wasn't complete and I wasn't training to race.

If you want to improve, you can't just train to race.

You only improve by getting better at UT2 and UT1 rowing.

Sharpening is done the same way by everyone, and pretty much for the same benefit.

The advantage/disadvantage in what I have done over the last seven years will play itself out in the future.

Sure, if Roy can return to rowing and pull sub-6:30, or even sub-6:20, my advantage will be nothing.

But if he has trouble pulling 6:50, as I think he will, the advantage will be clear.

Roy sold out decades of rowing for the moment.

His choice.

His 55s lwt WR won't last long.

Then the moment will be forgotten.

My guess is that Roy won't have much interest in rowing anymore.

That's where we differ.

I am in the sport for the long run.

I row OTW, too.

ranger

[ranger]

Evidence is already produced,, Lancs.

2K in 6:29.7, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 500r30 @ 1:30.

I'm afraid these being 4 years ago and completed as a hwt means these times, whilst impressive, do not contribute at all to your claims as they stand here in 2010. Good attempt at misleading us again though..

Sure they do.

Weight is irrelevant.

The 6:29 was done at a certain point in my training, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational training.

That 6:29 in 2006 was three seconds better than my last race (at EIRC) in 2003, fully prepared.

Can't see how I could produce any better evidence.

The other times reflect improvements in my stroking power, which is what I have been working on.

No one can pull those times who can't row sub-6:30.

It is also signficant that I pulled the 6:29 2K in 2006 at 12 SPI, more proof of my improved stroking power.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure, if you have no interest in getting better, but just want to be comfortable and consistent in your racing, then just train to race.

But beware:

If you only train to race, train to race, train to race, after a very short while, you just get worse and worse.

ranger

[ranger]

Over the last few years, I have been sacrificing my race preparation and racing in the hopes that I could improve my UT rowing and get better.

You can't both spend and invest at the same.

Over the last few years, I have been investing.

ranger

[lancs]

It is also signficant that I pulled the 6:29 2K in 2006 at 12 SPI, more proof of my improved stroking power.

As I recall correctly, some video footage taken at the time revealed this claim to be rubbish too. The trouble with continually lying Prof is that you forget what is truth and what is not.

Nice try at yet further deception again though..

[hjs]

In his races he always went for the place not the time.

Not when he didn't win.

And when he didn't win, he went just the same pace, pretty much, that he went when he won.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he could go faster in competition.

ranger

The evidence is a 6.34 row.

[hjs]

in the hopes that I could get better.

ranger

Unbelieble finally a true statement.

[Carl Watts]

Well after sifting through all the contradictory training advice I'm coming to the following conclusions.

1. You place way too much emphasis on the 2K and pretend nothing else matters.
2. You are indeed unique because you can row a fast 2K but apparently, from looking at the results to date, nothing else.

The problem I have with rowing just the 2K distance on the Erg is that it is a "Fly or die" event and doesn't show your depth or ability to train or row competitively at longer distances. You can for example use your 30 minute PB to calculate your 2K PB pretty accurately but in your case with the 2K's all over the place you cannot even start to use it to predict your 30minute so you speculate and do some amazing extrapolation (you really should stick to English and NOT Math by the way) to arrive at the "if....." times.

All the babble would stop if you just stopped typing long enough to do some decent distance events, I just don't get it and neither does anyone else reading this. Honestly it's a simple case of "Put up or shut up".

At the end of the day this thread has been a great source of amusement to all concerned, but of little value to my training.It will be hard to refrain from posting after May 1st, but then again a more useful training thread has recently been started.

On a final note, good luck in the future with posting some 2K WR's, I only wish you had gone about things differently with respect to this Forum.

[ranger]

This fall, I will go to BIRC and blow Roy's 55s lwt WR completely away, perhaps by as much as 20 seconds.

Don't you mean your "intention" is to do that? After all, you've said you *will* do various impressive feats over and over, and yet somehow you didn't manage to.

Yes, that's my intention.

Are intentions accomplishments?

No, of course not.

In fact, an intention is never an accomplishment; an accomplishment, never an intention.

They are not unrelated, though.

My training, which is coming along beautifully, connects the two.

ranger