The Two Types of Training

[jliddil]

But in the absence of any other evidence, I'll still acknowledge that he's arrogant, obnoxious, and delusional.

And that is why he will never ever ever ever ever be someone anyone will listen to or learn from. Not that he cares at all how he is perceived.

[TabbRows]

But in the absence of any other evidence, I'll still acknowledge that he's arrogant, obnoxious, and delusional.

And that is why he will never ever ever ever ever be someone anyone will listen to or learn from. Not that he cares at all how he is perceived.

Then why has this thread bloomed to nearly as many response and pages in 3 months as "What Training Have You Done Today" has accumulated in 4 years? If you don't like what he's yapping about, don't feed him, don't view his thread.

[hjs]

But in the absence of any other evidence, I'll still acknowledge that he's arrogant, obnoxious, and delusional.

And that is why he will never ever ever ever ever be someone anyone will listen to or learn from. Not that he cares at all how he is perceived.

Then why has this thread bloomed to nearly as many response and pages in 3 months as "What Training Have You Done Today" has accumulated in 4 years? If you don't like what he's yapping about, don't feed him, don't view his thread.

If he doesn,t get response he starts putting people down, going as low as it takes to get responses

[ranger]

he starts putting people down

Putting people down?

Not me.

Just facts.

It's great to be the best.

When you are, why not talk about it?

The purpose of this training forum is to share successful ideas about training.

Can't be any more successful that I am.

My training has been spectacular.

ranger

[ranger]

But in the absence of any other evidence, I'll still acknowledge that he's arrogant, obnoxious, and delusional.

And that is why he will never ever ever ever ever be someone anyone will listen to or learn from. Not that he cares at all how he is perceived.

No one is required to learn from anyone else.

If you refuse to learn, that's up to you.

You just stay bad.

No one _requires_ you to get better.

To each his own.

ranger

[aharmer]

ausrwr, wondering if you've given any thought to what Mike said about starting your own training thread? I'd like to be able to pick your brain about training too. This thread has become 100% uesless. I thought we'd eventually see some results which would tell me whether ranger's training was working...clearly that's not going to happen.

[johnlvs2run]

if you want to socialize rather than train in the best way that you can, then the flexibility, naturalness, and personally tailored contours of free fartlek workouts are not as good as the inflexibility, artificiality, and impersonality of a "set" interval workout or other sort of "set" piece, including trials.

What are personally tailored contours, based on flexibility and naturalness?

[johnlvs2run]

Please don't bait Ranger Folks!
He has promised to "race" all ranking distances this season, he has 3 days left, all this typing he has to do is stopping him achieve those aims
Or did he mean next season, the fall, when my stroke is fixed, etc blah blah
Steve

A 3 day period is plenty of time, to break the WR for the 2k and also to rank the other 9 events.

[hjs]

by ranger » September 22nd, 2009, 9:02 pm

My work on technique is entirely done.

I am now doing five-hour workouts, hitting all of the training bands, including sprints/sharpening on the erg and rowing for an hour each day at 5K rates OTW.

This year, I will be at weight and sharpening all fall and winter.

I haven't sharpened fully since 2003.

Given this preparation, racing this year will be a cinch--at all distances.

Back to normal.

Full preparation.

By the time WIRC rolls around, I think I'll pull a lwt 6:16.

2K

1:34 @ 37 spm (11.5 SPI)

ranger

[ranger]

I thought we'd eventually see some results which would tell me whether ranger's training was working

No need to wait for results.

Results are already in.

It is clear.

My training is working better than anyone else's--by far.

I am rowing WR pace, without even preparing for it.

This year, no one my age and weight (or older) pulled within 20 seconds of 6:41.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

I think I will also get quite a bit from more hard distance rowing and distance trials.

To this point, I haven't done either.

So my prospects for 2K when I am fully trained are _very_ good.

ranger

[ranger]

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Any at all?

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

It is already the best.

ranger

[Nosmo]

I thought we'd eventually see some results which would tell me whether ranger's training was working...clearly that's not going to happen.

You did see those results: 6:41.4 (plus, a 6:50, a 7:11 and many DNSs and a 6:48 in training). The only reason you expected more was that you just joined the forum several months ago. Anyone who has been around for more then one season never expected any results except in erg races and the races were over many weeks ago. We said as much after Ranger's last race (so hopefully this is will reinforce a lesson we all need to to keep having reinforced--learn from those with more experience ). Next year you can be one of those telling new forum members not to expect anything from Ranger except what he does in erg races. But don't worry there will be many who won't listen.

Oh, and Ranger will stop posting if he is ignored. It happened last year when he lost his bet and refused to pay henry. No one responded and he stopped posting. Same could happen again.

[ranger]

What are personally tailored contours, based on flexibility and naturalness?

Free fartlek intervals allow you to row long distances at target rates and paces but in a format that can be adapted to how you feel--overall, at some point in a training cycle, that day, and/or from moment to moment in the session.

This type of rowing lets you warm up before you work at peak levels.

This type of training lets you train harder or easier depending on external pressures (work, family, etc.).

This type of training lets you continue to train in quality ways even though you are tired or uninspired.

All of this "personally tailored flexibility and naturalness" is especially well suited to the older rower.

ranger

[ranger]

You did see those results: 6:41.4

Indeed.

Right around WR pace, six seconds better than anyone else in my age and weight division, even though I am ready to enter the next division.

Without even preparing for it.

I don't see any results for you at all.

Did you have some?

You don't include a signature line.

Why not?

ranger

[snowleopard]

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Are there any other males here, let's say of any age, devoting so much time while achieving so little in a minority category of the minority sport of indoor rowing