The Two Types of Training

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 5:04 pm

chgoss wrote:
ranger wrote: Do all of the rowing at 1:45.
Take passive rests.
It's an interval workout.
But you can structure the intervals however you would like.
Just make the overall pace 2:00.
Rich, it's very simple: in interval workouts, by definition, you arent rowing at the same pace all the time..
All; the whole amount, quantity, or extent of
Why not?

8 x 500s @ 1:34 (3:30 rest), etc.

Yep.

You're rowing at the same pace on each 500m.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 27th, 2010, 5:07 pm

chgoss wrote:"_all_ of the rowing at 1:45" means 21,097 in 1hour 23min, 50 sec.
What pace would it be for 1 hour 22 minutes and 48.9 seconds. :)

I'd like to know because that's what I did, and I am happy to see it was under 1:45 pace. :)
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by chgoss » April 27th, 2010, 5:14 pm

ranger wrote:
chgoss wrote:
ranger wrote: The workout was 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 20K, not a few bursts of 1:45, free rate.
I did exactly that, Boston Erg Marathon, 30+ witnesses, 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 21,097K, distributing the rest periods how I liked.
I wasnt that hard, I have done WAY harder workouts...
Nice one.
So now you know exactly what I am doing.
Just taking it easy.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » April 27th, 2010, 5:16 pm

John Rupp wrote:
chgoss wrote:"_all_ of the rowing at 1:45" means 21,097 in 1hour 23min, 50 sec.
What pace would it be for 1 hour 22 minutes and 48.9 seconds. :)

I'd like to know because that's what I did, and I am happy to see it was under 1:45 pace. :)
Yeah, that was sort of my initial reaction, too :)

I think he just fat-fingered the typing, as a HM at 1:45 is 1:13:50

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by chgoss » April 27th, 2010, 5:38 pm

whp4 wrote:
John Rupp wrote:
chgoss wrote:"_all_ of the rowing at 1:45" means 21,097 in 1hour 23min, 50 sec.
What pace would it be for 1 hour 22 minutes and 48.9 seconds. :)

I'd like to know because that's what I did, and I am happy to see it was under 1:45 pace. :)
Yeah, that was sort of my initial reaction, too :)

I think he just fat-fingered the typing, as a HM at 1:45 is 1:13:50
oops :oops: :oops:
yes, I meant to say 21,097m at 1:45 is 1:13:50..
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 5:44 pm

Folks, folks.

Sure, my intentions are high.

But both my training and performances/races, given these intentions, are just fine.

The best.

For the last two years, I have had the best 2K in my age and weight division, by far, without even preparing for it, and even though I am the oldest rower in my division (59 in th 55s division).

Why am I not preparing for it?

Because my intentions are high.

I am training to row 6:16.

The combination of these two, high intentions and the best performances by far, is ideal.

It is the best in the present, while it holds the most hope for the future.

Folks such as Mike VB and Rocket Roy are not the best in the present and are just getting worse.

They are losing now, and their rowing holds no better hope for the future, either.

Two, two, two, two, what?

Not very minty.

By gum.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JohnBove » April 27th, 2010, 5:50 pm

ranger wrote:I have kept to my training, in its proper order, and am still racing at WR pace, without even preparing for it.
No, asshole, you aren't racing at world record pace. You're racing some three seconds slower than world record pace. Your world records are from years ago. And you have been preparing. You've said as much. One needs only read this single thread, painful as that might be, to see what a lying string of shit you are.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 5:54 pm

JohnBove wrote:
ranger wrote:I have kept to my training, in its proper order, and am still racing at WR pace, without even preparing for it.
No, asshole, you aren't racing at world record pace. You're racing some three seconds slower than world record pace. Your world records are from years ago. And you have been preparing. You've said as much. One needs only read this single thread, painful as that might be, to see what a lying string of shit you are.
just more obscenity, carping, bullshit.

John.

That C2 doesn't ban you is amazing.

You're just a bitter fart who can't row a lick.

No reason for C2 to let you act out here.

It's not in their interest.

Won't bother you, though, huh?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 5:57 pm

John Bove wrote:No
No, what, John?

No, I don't have the best 2K at the present?

Or, no, I don't have the most hope for the future?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 5:59 pm

In sports, to be the best in the present and have the most hope for the future is the best of all possible worlds.

Many athletes sell out the future in order to be the best in the present.

Or many athletes sell out the present in order to be the best in the future.

I have done neither.

I have the best of both worlds.

Two, two, two mints in one.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JohnBove » April 27th, 2010, 6:00 pm

ranger wrote:Folks such as Mike VB and Rocket Roy are not the best in the present and are just getting worse.
Mike trained for and won the CRASHBs. You chose not to compete against him. Instead, you chose to row in one satellite event after another until you produced a time that bettered his by no significant amount, certainly not so significant that, were you to actually race against each other, a competitor like Mike, might very likely blow you off, given that you're a chronic bit-spitter.

You should quit rowing and take up yoga. You might get flexible enough that you could blow yourself.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JohnBove » April 27th, 2010, 6:03 pm

ranger wrote:
No, what, John?

No, I don't have the best 2K at the present?
That's correct. The best 2K at present for our age and weight is Roy's world record. You failed to match that by over three seconds. Nice try.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 6:06 pm

JohnBove wrote:
ranger wrote:Folks such as Mike VB and Rocket Roy are not the best in the present and are just getting worse.
Mike trained for and won the CRASHBs. You chose not to compete against him.
No, nor at all.

I qualified for the CRASH-Bs.

I had a ticket in hand, supplied by C2.

I was at the airport in Chicago, trying to get a plane to Boston.

And my plane didn't fly.

It had nothing to do with me.

Because my plane didn't fly, I was put up overnight in Chicago at the expense of the airline. I was given vouchers for dinner and breakfast. And I was given a ticket to Detroit for the next day.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 6:09 pm

JohnBove wrote:
ranger wrote:
No, what, John?

No, I don't have the best 2K at the present?
That's correct. The best 2K at present for our age and weight is Roy's world record. You failed to match that by over three seconds. Nice try.
That's not the present, John.

Or the future.

That's the past.

Now, Roy isn't even rowing.

If he returns to rowing, which seems pretty doubtful, he will have trouble pulling 6:50.

I don't blame Roy for quitting.

Why not?

He was only getting worse.

He is no longer the best.

Not a very encouraging present, or future.

Focussing on the short term, as Roy and everyone here on the forum I have ever encountered tends to do, leads to just such a sad end.

C'est dommage.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 27th, 2010, 6:20 pm

I am the best rower for my age and weight, by far, who is not self-satisfied at all, but who has higher goals for the future.

Nothing could be more admirable.

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