The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

He thinks he can erg his way to success OTW w/o rowing.

I don't think anything of the sort.

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

I started rowing on the erg, though, and I still have some goals to achieve there before I concentrate fully on my OTW rowing.

I should be done pursuing these goals on the erg in a year or so, though.

I am happy with that.

ranger

[ranger]

All of the intentions I listed were posted about--long in advance, and long in the process.

In _thousands_ of posts.

The only one I recognize was the increased SPI. And of course that was a sufficiently nebulous goal - sorry, "intention" - that its achievement was a given. In fact I could go and achieve that in just as quantifiable a way this afternoon, should I choose. Fortunately I don't choose, because it's time to cycle home.

My overarching intention, given my high goals, is to race as I can, but not to let racing (or race preparation) interfere with mastering what I need to learn at each stage in my training.

So far so good.

I have kept to my training, in its proper order, and am still racing at WR pace, without even preparing for it.

Two, two, two mints in one.

ranger

[ranger]

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Any at all?

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

It is already the best.

ranger

[ranger]

Given that I get a dozen seconds from hard sharpening, I assume that I have learned enough, right now, to do a solid sub-6:30 2K at 60.

All I need to do is sharpen up and do it.

The limit of my potential, though, is 6:16, not 6:30.

So this distance rowing stage in my training is important.

I need to row a FM @ 1:48, a HM @ 1:45, 60min @ 1:44, etc., if I am going to row 6:16 for 2K, rather than just sub-6:30.

ranger

[chgoss]

B. Without an articulation of the rest period durations your statement is meaningless.

No, it's not meaningless. Try it. Distribute the rests however you would like. See how you do.
Your response is pure prejudice, pure presupposition, pure speculation, with no experience to back it up.

I did exactly that workout last Monday at the Boston Erg Marathon. 21,097 meters at an average pace of 1:59 where portions of it were at 1:45 pace.
30 people saw it...
It wasnt that hard....


see? it's meaningless. you dont know how long I rested, vs how long I was at 1:45..

[ranger]

B. Without an articulation of the rest period durations your statement is meaningless.

No, it's not meaningless. Try it. Distribute the rests however you would like. See how you do.
Your response is pure prejudice, pure presupposition, pure speculation, with no experience to back it up.

I did exactly that workout last Monday at the Boston Erg Marathon. 21,097 meters at an average pace of 1:59 where portions of it were at 1:45 pace.
30 people saw it...
It wasnt that hard....


see? it's meaningless. you dont know how long I rested, vs how long I was at 1:45..

The workout was 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 20K, not a few bursts of 1:45, free rate.

ranger

[rjw]

log: a record of performance, events, or day-to-day activities.

I have documented _that_ in great detail, both on these C2 fora and in my blog.

Everyone knows exactly what I have done with my training over the last seven years.

I don't think there is any uncertainty about that at all.

I think that is just the point. Your training is a series of ideas that would be hard if not impossible to replicate. This isn't because of the difficult nature of the training but because you have systematically and purposefully chosen to to report it in a way that is full of ifs, ands and buts.

[ranger]

did exactly that workout last Monday at the Boston Erg Marathon. 21,097 meters at an average pace of 1:59 where portions of it were at 1:45 pace

For this one, I would do _all_ of the rowing at 1:45.

Take passive rests.

For example, 21 x 2K @ 1:45 (1 minute rest)

ranger

[ranger]

I think that is just the point. Your training is a series of ideas that would be hard if not impossible to replicate.

No, doing free fartlek intervals is just a mode of training.

Anyone can do them.

I used to do them (every Tuesday) for 11 miles when I was training to run marathons.

As I understand, Graham Watt also likes to train this way.

Work as hard as you can.

Rest as much as you need.

Don't worry about numbers at all.

Relax.

ranger

[ranger]

Even a lwt 6:28 2K at 60 is the equivalent of a lwt 6:12 2K at 50.

It is 14 seconds under the 60s lwt WR.

At the moment, no (other) 50s lwt can row sub-6:30.

Besides me, only two other 50s lightweights have pulled 6:30 or under.

I have done it three times.

At BIRC 2010, I will be 59.9.

ranger

[chgoss]

The workout was 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 20K, not a few bursts of 1:45, free rate.

I did exactly that, Boston Erg Marathon, 30+ witnesses, 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 21,097K, distributing the rest periods how I liked.
I wasnt that hard, I have done WAY harder workouts...

[ranger]

The workout was 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 20K, not a few bursts of 1:45, free rate.

I did exactly that, Boston Erg Marathon, 30+ witnesses, 15 SPI @ 16-18 spm for 21,097K, distributing the rest periods how I liked.
I wasnt that hard, I have done WAY harder workouts...

Nice one.

So now you know exactly what I am doing.

Just taking it easy.

ranger

[chgoss]

did exactly that workout last Monday at the Boston Erg Marathon. 21,097 meters at an average pace of 1:59 where portions of it were at 1:45 pace

For this one, I would do _all_ of the rowing at 1:45.
Take passive rests.
For example, 21 x 2K @ 1:45 (1 minute rest)

You apparently have a different definition of _all_ than Webster...

"_all_ of the rowing at 1:45" means 21,097 in 1hour 23min, 50 sec.

if you're resting, you arent doing it _all_ at 1:45

it's simple Rich...

[ranger]

did exactly that workout last Monday at the Boston Erg Marathon. 21,097 meters at an average pace of 1:59 where portions of it were at 1:45 pace

For this one, I would do _all_ of the rowing at 1:45.
Take passive rests.
For example, 21 x 2K @ 1:45 (1 minute rest)

You apparently have a different definition of _all_ than Webster...

"_all_ of the rowing at 1:45" means 21,097 in 1hour 23min, 50 sec.

if you're resting, you arent doing it _all_ at 1:45

it's simple Rich...

Do all of the rowing at 1:45.

Take passive rests.

It's an interval workout.

But you can structure the intervals however you would like.

Just make the overall pace 2:00.

The workout helps you habituate yourself to 1:45 pace (say at 27 spm, 11 SPI).

42K of it is a lot of rowing.

Great stuff.

Hail Zatopek!

ranger

[chgoss]

Do all of the rowing at 1:45.
Take passive rests.
It's an interval workout.
But you can structure the intervals however you would like.
Just make the overall pace 2:00.

Rich, it's very simple: in interval workouts, by definition, you arent rowing at the same pace all the time..
All; the whole amount, quantity, or extent of