The Two Types of Training

[chgoss]

All of this shrill talk about [reporting training times] is misplaced here.

This is a training forum.

Good training doesn't have anything to do with [maintaining a training log].

It has to do with overcoming your weaknesses, learning how to get better.

Those who [maintain a training log] only get worse.

They parade their strengths and ignore their weaknesses, which they don't have the courage or determination to confront.

ranger

Rich, I think that even you can see that when your post is modified to clearly indicate what you are really saying, it doenst make sense..

[mikvan52]

And Here’s some 55-59 lwts for 10k


Jack Meyer
56
USA
35:34.7
IND

Greg Hodge
57
USA
36:37.1


Roger Prowse
58
GBR
36:42.1


George Meredith
55
GBR
36:50.3

Michael van Beuren
56
USA
37:19.1
IND_V

BTW: Jack Meyer has sculled in the HOCR for at least 10 years, is 60+ now.... hmmmm....
He came in a close 2nd in the 60-69 race last fall as a 60 yr-old...
Don't forget to bring your snorkle to the Charles, RIch....

[mikvan52]

1 hour
55-59 lwts
2002-2010
C2 ranking records


Michael van Beuren
55
USA
16138
IND_V

Greg Hodge
57
USA
16065
IND

Roger Prowse
59
GBR
15968
IND

George Meredith
55
GBR
15912
IND

[ranger]

I can only conclude that your training isn't going as well as you predicted.

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Lots of them - in fact I'd guess most of the people replying to you are. Not me though, I'm concentrating on cycling.

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

Because you made a prediction about what you would do, that didn't require any particular performance level (e.g. you predicted you'd do a 5k, entirely separate from any prediction on pace), and yet you've apparently failed to live up to that prediction. It can't be because you can't do the distance, because with the amount of rowing you do that must be a given. Hence it has to be that you can't do it in the style you wish to. That's entirely fine, of course, but less than a month ago you thought you would. And, therefore, your training isn't going as well as you thought it would one month ago.

So, what was the last prediction you made that you actually achieved?

_Prediction_ is the wrong word, as I explained.

_Intention_ is the right word, and even so, intentions with respect to performance in something like rowoing are qualified by all sorts of uncertainties.

The body has its own vagaries and schedules.

My training is coming along fine, though, all considered.

I am delighted with it.

As I said, given where I am in my training, my racing has also been fine, a good, realistic check on my fitness.

Like last year, I am rowing at right about WR pace, without even preparing for it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

.... intentions with respect to performance are qualified by all sorts of uncertainties.

The body has its own vagaries and schedules.

My training is coming along fine, though, all considered.

I am delighted with it.

ranger

ranger's "distance sheep" has been shorn!

"Bing again!"


Where's my dollar, Rupp?

[ranger]

In honor of men who do log 5k pieces.

Lwt 55-59 all-time best 5k times

1st
Roger Prowse
59
GBR
17:39.5
IND

2nd
Michael van Beuren
55
USA
17:49.1
IND_V

3rd
Rolf Meek
56
NOR
17:52.5
IND

4th
Dennis Hastings
56
USA
17:53.6

5th
George Meredith
55
GBR
17:58.7
IND

Brian Bailey has done 17:26 at 60.

Rod Freed did 16:47 in his early 50s.

So the 55s 5K standard, if there were such as thing, should be about 17:10.

Besides 2K, there are no rankings for the 55s division.

ranger

[mikvan52]

[chgoss]

you made a prediction about what you would do, that didn't require any particular performance level (e.g. you predicted you'd do a 5k, entirely separate from any prediction on pace)

_Prediction_ is the wrong word, as I explained.
_Intention_ is the right word.

You stated you would be posting times for the various distances by the end of April.
You are now saying that you wont be posting times by the end of April.
Your excuse for not doing what you said you would do, is to claim that you were only saying that you "intended" to post times by the end of April??

doesnt wash rich...

[PaulH]

_Intention_ is the right word, and even so, intentions with respect to performance in something like rowoing [sic] are qualified by all sorts of uncertainties.

Fair enough - when was the last _intention_ that you achieved? I totally understand that any challenging task will involve missed goals/predictions/intentions; if these things went like clockwork everyone would be doing them. I'm just trying to work out when your last success was - not a success as I would consider it (such as your 6:41 2k), but one that you would consider, i.e. fulfilling an intention.

[jliddil]

The Outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day:
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play.
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A sickly silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, if only ranger could get but a whack at that -
We'd put up even money, now, with ranger at the bat.

But Flynn preceded ranger, as did also Jimmy Blake,
And the former was a lulu and the latter was a cake;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of ranger's getting to the bat.

But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Blake, the much despis-ed, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and the men saw what had occurred,
There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.

Then from 5,000 throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It knocked upon the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For ranger, mighty ranger, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in ranger's manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in ranger's bearing and a smile on ranger's face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt 'twas ranger at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance gleamed in ranger's eye, a sneer curled ranger's lip.

And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And ranger stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped-
"That ain't my style," said ranger. "Strike one," the umpire said.

From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore.
"Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted someone on the stand;
And its likely they'd a-killed him had not ranger raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity great ranger's visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the spheroid flew;
But ranger still ignored it, and the umpire said, "Strike two."

"Fraud!" cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered fraud;
But one scornful look from ranger and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that ranger wouldn't let that ball go by again.

The sneer is gone from ranger's lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of ranger's blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville - mighty ranger has struck out.

[johnlvs2run]

Rupp, won't even put up a dollar in support of any of your claims about IND_Vs
Like you, all he does is answer an offer w/ a counter-offer.

It's one dollar, John. Today.... Bet ends 12:01 am May 1, 2010.
If I win I get your dollar. If you win you get $100.

Oh now you are chickening out, or was it last night that you chickened out..

:squack: :squack: :squack: chicken squacking!!!

Uh huh, last night you were going to give me $1,730,000 for every dollar that I put up.

And I agreed to this!!! With no time limit even!!!!

YES I do agree to put up $1 to match your $1,730,000!!!

And suggest (AGAIN) that we put the money in an escrow company.

For holding - until Rich accomplishes this feat, then they will pay me!!

The mention of the reality of this must have scared you off.

Now we see who the troll is - since you are not willing to stand by your bets.

Sad but true!!!

[ranger]

All of this shrill talk about [reporting training times] is misplaced here.

This is a training forum.

Good training doesn't have anything to do with [maintaining a training log].

It has to do with overcoming your weaknesses, learning how to get better.

Those who [maintain a training log] only get worse.

They parade their strengths and ignore their weaknesses, which they don't have the courage or determination to confront.

ranger

Rich, I think that even you can see that when your post is modified to clearly indicate what you are really saying, it doenst make sense..

A good training log, I think, would enumerate your weaknesses, plan how they might be overcome, and report how you are getting along in pursuing that plan.

I am not sure this has much at all to do with times pulled for various "pieces," total meters rowed, etc.

A log full of times pulled for various "pieces" assumes that you are getting better at rowing as your times improve and that the point of your sessions is to improve those times.

Not sure of that at all.

After a very short while, those who train with these intentions just get worse.

Then, in frustration, they overtrain and get stale, injured, and sick.

Then quit.

ranger

[ranger]

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Any at all?

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

It is already the best.

ranger

[PaulH]

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Any at all?

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

It is already the best.

ranger

As I mentioned above, lots of people are doing it. But that's distinct from your training; you keep missing your own "intentions", so your training isn't going as well as you think it should.

[ranger]

_Intention_ is the right word, and even so, intentions with respect to performance in something like rowoing [sic] are qualified by all sorts of uncertainties.

Fair enough - when was the last _intention_ that you achieved? I totally understand that any challenging task will involve missed goals/predictions/intentions; if these things went like clockwork everyone would be doing them. I'm just trying to work out when your last success was - not a success as I would consider it (such as your 6:41 2k), but one that you would consider, i.e. fulfilling an intention.

I've gone through this loads of times.

When I pulled 6:27.5 as a heavyweight, I lost 30 pounds in order to break the 50s lwt WR.

Intention achieved.

In order to try to get better and improve my own WR, I rowed at low rates for 6 months and sure enough, broke my own WR twice.

Intention achieved.

In order to try to get better yet, I bought a 1x and taught myself how to row OTW.

Intention achieved.

In order to row well OTW and get better yet on the erg, I changed how i row--entirely.

Intention achieved.

To put more emphasis on the use of my legs and increase my stroking power, I rowed at low rates and high stroking powers for five years, and sure enough, I have increased my stroking power about 2 SPI.

Intention achieved.

Using this stronger stroke, I slowly lifted the rate up from 22 spm to 30 spm for distance rowing.

Intention achieved.

Now that I am rating 30 spm in my distance rowing, I am ready for distance trials.

After I do distance trials, I will sharpen.

ranger