The Two Types of Training

[hjs]

Wow 100 to 1 odds!

Good going so far!

And so, you're going to give me $1,730,000 when Rich breaks 60 minutes for the hour???

Think about this one John!

And I will certainly bet $1 for you to give me $1,730,000.

Something doesn't add up. Hmm! What could it be?

To make the $1,730,000 wager official,

Likely, you would need to come up withe $17,300

let's put the funds into an escrow company.

Then when Rich does the 17,300 meters plus in an hour, they will transfer the money to me.

Or if he doesn't, they will transfer the $17,300 [fixed] to you.

Yes, I am ready, let's do this.

John, are you still ready?

[ranger]

I pulled a _lwt_ 6:28 when I was just a month or two shy of 53.

And how many years ago was that, six? How many spit bits since? How many seven-minute-plus crap-outs? How many regurgitated lies? How many failed attempts? How many lame excuses for your failures?

How many levels deeper have you gone into your morbid psychopathology?

I have made it clear: I am in the middle of my training, getting ready for distance trials.

I haven't sharpened yet.

Nonetheless, I have had the best 2K in my age and weight class for the last two years, this year, by six seconds.

I am happy with that.

Sure, doing 2Ks when you are haven't prepared for them with adequate sharpening produces some failures.

But so it goes.

It has also produced some successes (to the level of my preparation).

For the last two years, I have pulled 2Ks at right about WR pace for my age and weight without even preparing for them.

That is a good check on my fitness, as I continue my training.

It has been more important to me to continue my training in an orderly way than interrupt my training repeatedly with race preparation, especially if I can pull the best 2K in my division (by far) without even preparing for it.

Race preparation has nothing to do with how good you are as a rower.

No one gets better by preparing to race.

Everyone prepares to race in pretty much the same way for pretty much the same benefit.

ranger

[ranger]

And how many years ago was that, six?

Yep.

When I was right about Nav's age.

ranger

[ranger]

All of this shrill talk about racing is misplaced here.

This is a training forum.

Good training doesn't have anything to do with racing.

It has to do with overcoming your weaknesses, learning how to get better.

Those who race their training only get worse.

They parade their strengths and ignore their weaknesses, which they don't have the courage or determination to confront.

ranger

[hjs]

And how many years ago was that, six?

Yep.

When I was right about Nav's age.

ranger

Jonathan Bone 52 New York NY USA 6:18.8 IND_V

[PaulH]

I have made it clear: I am in the middle of my training, getting ready for distance trials.

Sorry to hear that ranger - less than a month ago you predicted that you'd do all the events by the end of the month, and yet here we are, less than 4 days left, and you don't appear to have done any of them. I can only conclude that your training isn't going as well as you predicted.

Speaking of which, in your 3 consecutive replies to me earlier (a new PB for me, of which I'm quite proud) you didn't answer my question: When was the last prediction you made about your rowing that came true?

[mikvan52]

All of this shrill talk about racing is misplaced here.

This is a training forum.

Good training doesn't have anything to do with racing.

It has to do with overcoming your weaknesses, learning how to get better.

Those who race their training only get worse.

They parade their strengths and ignore their weaknesses, which they don't have the courage or determination to confront.

ranger

jargon for:

"I am not posting any IND_V efforts for the rest of my life."

[mikvan52]

... and Rich:

Your cagey supporter, Rupp, won't even put up a dollar in support of any of your claims about IND_Vs
Like you, all he does is answer an offer w/ a counter-offer.

It's one dollar, John. Today.... Bet ends 12:01 am May 1, 2010.
If I win I get your dollar. If you win you get $100.

is your BS answer

[ranger]

I can only conclude that your training isn't going as well as you predicted.

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Any at all?

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

It is already the best.

Here is my competition:

RANKING RESULTS

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–80) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE

Not much of a contest at the moment.

And this is only on the basis on foundational training at low rates.

I suspect I'll get a dozen seconds more from hard sharpening.

Who knows how much more I'll get from hard distance rowing and distance trials.

At lot, I think.

That's my specialty.

ranger

[PaulH]

I can only conclude that your training isn't going as well as you predicted.

Are there any other males here on this forum, let's say under 80 years old, who are pullling WR pace for their age and weight, much less without even preparing for it?

Lots of them - in fact I'd guess most of the people replying to you are. Not me though, I'm concentrating on cycling.

If not, I don't see how my training could be going any better, at least in relative terms.

Because you made a prediction about what you would do, that didn't require any particular performance level (e.g. you predicted you'd do a 5k, entirely separate from any prediction on pace), and yet you've apparently failed to live up to that prediction. It can't be because you can't do the distance, because with the amount of rowing you do that must be a given. Hence it has to be that you can't do it in the style you wish to. That's entirely fine, of course, but less than a month ago you thought you would. And, therefore, your training isn't going as well as you thought it would one month ago.

So, what was the last prediction you made that you actually achieved?

[jliddil]

Hey, man, you don't talk to the ranger. You listen
to him. The mans enlarged my mind. Hes a poet-warrior in the
classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say
"hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He wont
even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you
in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that if is the middle
word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are
losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when
all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I cant... I'm a little man,
I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a
pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

[whp4]

Ranger even looks like Kurtz in the off-season, which is why making weight is such a struggle!

[whp4]

All of this shrill talk about racing is misplaced here.

Yes, let's get back to the shrill talk about those promised IND_V distance PBs you were going to supply by the end of this month...,

[mikvan52]

All of this shrill talk about racing is misplaced here.

Yes, let's get back to the shrill talk about those promised IND_V distance PBs you were going to supply by the end of this month...,

"talk about racing is misplaced" ????
Did you mean talk like this:

LWT 55-59 all-time best 2k times

1st
Roy Brook
United Kingdom
6:38.1


2nd
Rich Cureton
59
USA
6:41.0


3rd
Michael van Beuren
55
USA
6:45.1

[mikvan52]

In honor of men who do log 5k pieces.

Lwt 55-59 all-time best 5k times

1st
Roger Prowse
59
GBR
17:39.5
IND

2nd
Michael van Beuren
55
USA
17:49.1
IND_V

3rd
Rolf Meek
56
NOR
17:52.5
IND

4th
Dennis Hastings
56
USA
17:53.6

5th
George Meredith
55
GBR
17:58.7
IND


Ever notice that weight cutters don't make it into the rankings at distance longer than 2k?

Notice the age of the #1 man.... => 59!
Have at it Rich!

Hey: FYI: I pulled an 11+ spi 5k piece w/o breaks yesterday... Does that make me "unprecedented" like you Rich?