The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Not sure why what _I_ do in my rowing should keep _you'all_ busy and amused, though.

It doesn't - in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do. The amusement comes from all the predictions you make without fulfilling them. As an example, what's the last prediction you made that you then followed through on?

Training is essentially hypothetical and future-oriented.

It is all about hopes and dreams.

If it isn't, you are doing something seriously wrong.

That productive talk _about_ training is the hypothetical and future-oriented is no surprise at all.

That's the nature of the beast.

ranger

[ranger]

Not sure why what _I_ do in my rowing should keep _you'all_ busy and amused, though.

It doesn't - in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do. The amusement comes from all the predictions you make without fulfilling them. As an example, what's the last prediction you made that you then followed through on?

You wouldn't be satisfied with WR pace without preparing for it?

Wow.

Your standards are _really_ high.

My training is coming along great.

Couldn't hope for anything better.

I can't do something that I haven't prepared to do yet.

Training takes time.

ranger

[ranger]

in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do.

Hardly.

Look again.

The people posting here are just a bunch of trolls.

There is no motivation for their postings but ill will.

Nay-saying is low business.

Only scum do it habitually.

Being unable themselves, they make a life doubting the abilities of others.

ranger

[whp4]

Not sure why what _I_ do in my rowing should keep _you'all_ busy and amused, though.

It doesn't - in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do. The amusement comes from all the predictions you make without fulfilling them. As an example, what's the last prediction you made that you then followed through on?

Training is essentially hypothetical and future-oriented.

Just like your "accomplishments"!

It is all about hopes and dreams.

Again, just like your "accomplishments"!

If...

Say no more!

[johnlvs2run]

No doubt he will settle this "in the fall"

How can you be so impatient.

There are still 4 1/2 days to go, before the end of the ranking season.

This is plenty of time to break the 2k record, and to complete the other 9 events for the rankings.

What do you predict for his 1 hour performance, John?

I'm predicting at least 17,300 meters.

That's a 1:44 pace, about 2k pace plus 10.

[whp4]

they make a life doubting the abilities of others.

You make a life proving the nay-sayers right!

[detlefchef]

in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do.

Hardly.

Look again.

The people posting here are just a bunch of trolls.

There is no motivation for their postings but ill will.

Nay-saying is low business.

Only scum do it habitually.

Being unable themselves, they make a life doubting the abilities of others.

ranger

Ability to do what? What we doubt is your ability to predict your own accomplishments which, quite frankly is rather piss poor. Keep in mind that a number of us here, myself included have made a point of congratulating what you actually have done because, for instance, 6:41 for a guy your age is absolutely nothing to sneeze at. Of course, we also then explain how unfortunate it is that your actual achievements are clouded by the fact that you tell everyone that you're going to do something super human and end up doing something merely impressive.

So, either a bunch of people all independently decided to crap on you for no good reason or we are all just annoyed with your act. After all, it is rather insulting for someone to assume the level of gullibility one would have to have to take anything at all you say remotely seriously. You make fantastic predictions, come up dreadfully short, and then just go back to making more as if everything you've ever said came true.

After all, if we're just a bunch of haters. Guys who despise greatness so much that we look for it and try to break it down, why aren't we all dogging someone like Nav Hazzard who rather than saying he's going to row a great time, simply does so?

[whp4]

Not sure why what _I_ do in my rowing should keep _you'all_ busy and amused, though.

It doesn't - in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do. The amusement comes from all the predictions you make without fulfilling them. As an example, what's the last prediction you made that you then followed through on?

You wouldn't be satisfied with WR pace without preparing for it?

Get serious. If what you spend hours each day doing isn't preparing, then there are no amateurs who are preparing!

Wow.

Your standards are _really_ high.

Yeah, we expect that you'll demonstrate your ability to match your claims. It is a good thing we are quite patient, because you haven't demonstrated anything even close yet. Some of us have been waiting since the days when it wasn't necessary to insert "(former)" in front of "WR" when referring to you, and that's a long time!

My training is coming along great.

Couldn't hope for anything better.

Perhaps if you got a better coach...

I can't do something that I haven't prepared to do yet.

Training takes time.

Again, you need a better coach. The current one is wasting your time. Max drag, sprackback, failures to make weight or suitable travel arrangements, the list goes ever on...at least the silver lining is that if your debt to Henry is any indication, you aren't paying your coach either, which means he's getting paid only slightly more than he's worth!

[lancs]

If in the likely event of you not breaking 6:40 again next year Prof, what will your next move be?

[ranger]

in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do.

Hardly.

Look again.

The people posting here are just a bunch of trolls.

There is no motivation for their postings but ill will.

Nay-saying is low business.

Only scum do it habitually.

Being unable themselves, they make a life doubting the abilities of others.

ranger

Ability to do what? What we doubt is your ability to predict your own accomplishments which, quite frankly is rather piss poor. Keep in mind that a number of us here, myself included have made a point of congratulating what you actually have done because, for instance, 6:41 for a guy your age is absolutely nothing to sneeze at. Of course, we also then explain how unfortunate it is that your actual achievements are clouded by the fact that you tell everyone that you're going to do something super human and end up doing something merely impressive.

So, either a bunch of people all independently decided to crap on you for no good reason or we are all just annoyed with your act. After all, it is rather insulting for someone to assume the level of gullibility one would have to have to take anything at all you say remotely seriously. You make fantastic predictions, come up dreadfully short, and then just go back to making more as if everything you've ever said came true.

After all, if we're just a bunch of haters. Guys who despise greatness so much that we look for it and try to break it down, why aren't we all dogging someone like Nav Hazzard who rather than saying he's going to row a great time, simply does so?

Nav hasn't rowed any "great" 2K time.

He now is well back beyond the leaders in his division.

He has never come within 10 seconds of the WR in his division, and it looks as though he never will.

2010 C.R.A.S.H.-B. Sprints World Indoor Rowing Championships

Event: Veteran Men (Age 50-54)

1 Marullo Michele C.C. Aniene 06:11.3 51
2 Gray David Team Netz (Netzaberg American Elementary School) 06:13.1 50
3 Ives Chris Greenwich Crew 06:17.2 50
4 Botti Sergio Prosport Trento Italy 06:24.2 50
5 Bone Jonathan Passaic River Rowing Association 06:30.4 54
6 Glickman Joe Unaffiliated 06:32.1 50
7 Tait Larry Montreal Rowing Club 06:34.7 53
8 Ryan John Narragansett Boat Club 06:36.6 51
9 Randle John Community Rowing Inc. 06:38.6 52
10 Bloch Joergen Copenhagen Westend Police

ranger

[detlefchef]

Hardly.

Look again.

The people posting here are just a bunch of trolls.

There is no motivation for their postings but ill will.

Nay-saying is low business.

Only scum do it habitually.

Being unable themselves, they make a life doubting the abilities of others.

ranger

Ability to do what? What we doubt is your ability to predict your own accomplishments which, quite frankly is rather piss poor. Keep in mind that a number of us here, myself included have made a point of congratulating what you actually have done because, for instance, 6:41 for a guy your age is absolutely nothing to sneeze at. Of course, we also then explain how unfortunate it is that your actual achievements are clouded by the fact that you tell everyone that you're going to do something super human and end up doing something merely impressive.

So, either a bunch of people all independently decided to crap on you for no good reason or we are all just annoyed with your act. After all, it is rather insulting for someone to assume the level of gullibility one would have to have to take anything at all you say remotely seriously. You make fantastic predictions, come up dreadfully short, and then just go back to making more as if everything you've ever said came true.

After all, if we're just a bunch of haters. Guys who despise greatness so much that we look for it and try to break it down, why aren't we all dogging someone like Nav Hazzard who rather than saying he's going to row a great time, simply does so?

Nav hasn't rowed any "great" 2K time.

He now is well back beyond the leaders in his division.

He has never come within 10 seconds of the WR in his division, and it looks as though he never will.

2010 C.R.A.S.H.-B. Sprints World Indoor Rowing Championships

Event: Veteran Men (Age 50-54)

1 Marullo Michele C.C. Aniene 06:11.3 51
2 Gray David Team Netz (Netzaberg American Elementary School) 06:13.1 50
3 Ives Chris Greenwich Crew 06:17.2 50
4 Botti Sergio Prosport Trento Italy 06:24.2 50
5 Bone Jonathan Passaic River Rowing Association 06:30.4 54
6 Glickman Joe Unaffiliated 06:32.1 50
7 Tait Larry Montreal Rowing Club 06:34.7 53
8 Ryan John Narragansett Boat Club 06:36.6 51
9 Randle John Community Rowing Inc. 06:38.6 52
10 Bloch Joergen Copenhagen Westend Police

ranger

Interesting that you didn't bother to address the meat of the post. Just stick to your story:

"My stoke is amazing and everyone hates me because I'm great."

[mikvan52]

This is plenty of time to break the 2k record, and to complete the other 9 events for the rankings.

What do you predict for his 1 hour performance, John?

I'm predicting at least 17,300 meters.

That's a 1:44 pace, about 2k pace plus 10.

Thanks. Great prediction.
Now attach a certainty factor with $$ attached. I give you 100 to 1 odds (any weight for ranger).

[mikvan52]

If in the likely event of you not breaking 6:40 again next year Prof, what will your next move be?

That's too easy lancs!

17,000 more posts w/o any IND_V rankings at distances over 2k...

[mikvan52]

Nav hasn't rowed any "great" 2K time.

He has more hardware from CRASH-B than you do.
Plus he has a 1k WR.

What's your enduring WR again?
That's right... #s of posts on a thread about older men.

[ranger]

Nav hasn't rowed any "great" 2K time.

He has more hardware from CRASH-B than you do.
Plus he has a 1k WR.

What's your enduring WR again?
That's right... #s of posts on a thread about older men.

Nav is 54.

The 55s hwt WR is 6:18.

At the 2010 CRASH-Bs, Nav pulled 6:30.

So, that's the situation.

Glaringly, it is the same situation he faced when he pulled 6:16 several years ago.

The 50s hwt WR is 6:07.

In terms of the WRs, Nav is consistently 10 seconds short.

I pulled a _lwt_ 6:28 when I was just a month or two shy of 53.

That was just shy of four seconds _under_ Jean-Paul Tardieu's 50s lwt WR at the time.

ranger