The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

BIRC 2010 will be my opportunity to shine.

I'll get in plenty of distance trials and sharpening before then in order to be fully prepared for 2K.

After I warm up, I now don't have any reason to row at any less than 28 spm.

At 28 spm, I go 1:44.

On the erg, at least, no more low rate rowing (16-22 spm).

In fact, no more rowing at moderate rates (23-27) spm.

I have the rate and heart rate up very nicely now.

Back to normal.

But with quite a difference.

About 2 SPI.

Where I used to row 1:52 @ 28 spm, I now row 1:44 @ 28 spm.

The difference is 60 watts (250 vs. 310).

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[ranger]

Here are the 60min rows this year by those my age (and older) and weight:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 15553 IND
1 Bob Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 15389 IND_V
2 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 15331 IND_V
3 Joe Keating 61 London IRL 15314 C2Log
4 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 15290 IND_V
5 Ed Pabst 60 Terre Haute IN USA 15244 IND
6 Rolf Meek 60 Oslo NOR 15184 IND
7 john black 61 wanganui NZL 15104 IND
8 Rob Drury 63 Maidstone Kent GBR 15072 C2Log
9 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 15052 IND_V
10 Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 15045 RowPro

Greg Brock is the 60s lwt American record for 2K at 6:56.6, albeit done a year ago, when he was faster.

1:55/15.5K for 60min predicts 1:45/7:00 for 2K.

This year, Greg has done 7:03.9 for 2K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 60-69 | Current 2010 Season

1 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
2 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
3 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
4 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
4 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
6 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
7 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
8 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE
9 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 7:12.5 RACE
10 Michael Brownjohn 61 Totalfitness4u Essex GBR 7:12.8 RACE

7:00 splits the difference between the two.

So, these predictions from distance rowing, e.g., 60min, and 2K, are really pretty good.

Your 2K is only as good as you 60min trial.

2K is done at 60min + 10.

The rest is predictable and therefore of no account.

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[ranger]

My 1:40.25/6:41 2K predicts 1:50 for 60min.

Hmm.

We'll see about that.



1:50 is UT2.

So what is UT1?

In general, training bands are separated by five seconds per 500m.

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[ranger]

The younger 50s lwts have done this for 60min this year:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | Current 2010 Season

1 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 16574 IND_V
Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 16061 IND
2 Ernie Parizeau 53 Wellesley MA USA 15802 RowPro
3 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 15774 IND
4 Anthony Reino 53 New Rochelle NY USA 15562 IND
5 David Hosking 54 London GBR 15541 IND
6 Richard Davie 51 Burntisland Scotland GBR 15517 IND
7 Pierre Rainville 53 Fort McMurray Alberta CAN 15513 IND
8 Jan Larkens 52 Dubai UAE 15485 IND
9 Michael van der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 15473 IND_V
10 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 15432 IND_V

16.5K/1:49 predicts a 1:39/6:36 2K.

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[ranger]

In the 60min trial that I am preparing to do, it is clear that it is this group (50s hwts) that I will be challenging: Krum and Crawford.

Krum has the 50s hwt WR for 60min at right around 17K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | Heavyweight | Ages 50-59 | Current 2010 Season

1 James Crawford 55 Manhasset NY USA 16873 C2Log
Steve Krum 54 Manhattan Beach CA USA 16835 IND
2 ola hjorth 52 oslo NOR 16562 IND_V
3 Larry Tait 53 Montreal QC CAN 16516 RowPro
4 Frank Kuerzel 50 Darmstadt GER 16498 IND
5 Tom Carpenter 50 Kingston ON CAN 16428 IND
6 Nick Rockliff 52 Tadcaster Nth Yorkshire GBR 16383 IND
7 Michael Pettit 53 Garland TX USA 16295 RowPro
8 Jørgen Bloch 50 Brøndby Free Spirits DEN 16240 C2Log
9 Steve Roedde 56 Richards Landing ON CAN 16228 C2Log
10 Mark Evans 51 Bebington, Wirral, Merseyside GBR 16175 RowPro

It is significant that Krum has done 6:16 for 2K.

60s hwts this year have done this for 60min:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 60 minutes | Men's | Heavyweight | Ages 60-69 | Current 2010 Season

1 TJ Oesterling 61 Waikoloa HI USA 16506 IND_V
2 Stu Miller 62 Falmouth ME USA 15927 C2Log
Tony Forbes 60 Cheltenham GBR 15924 IND
3 Charles Hood 61 Brooklyn NY USA 15698 IND
4 Bernie Carter 66 Waitakere Auckland NZL 15589 IND
5 Hjalmar Schiotz 60 Tonsberg NOR 15562 IND_V
6 Dick Henry 62 Concord NH USA 15459 IND_V
7 Robert Lee 65 Lexington MA USA 15435 IND
8 Bob Wild 68 Fairport NY USA 15393 IND
9 John Radtka 60 Reisterstown MD USA 15353 IND
10 Tom Dryer 60 Cincinnati OH USA 15341 IND

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[JohnBove]

Roy's record is 6:38.1. You haven't been close in years.

My unprepared 6:41s, both this year and last, are _very_ close to Roy's 6:38.

It is Roy who hasn't been close in years.

If Roy comes back to rowing, like Mike VB, he'll have a hard time pulling 6:50.

ranger

In each year you missed by three seconds. Hard to call that close. Whether Roy continues to compete as a rower is irrelevant. You clearly can't get near his record. You get slower and slower. You're ordinary.

[ranger]

You get slower and slower.

Nope.

Look again.

Last year I did an unprepared 6:41.

This year I did an uprepared 6:41.

Just the same.

It's Roy who has gotten slower and slower!

Fully prepared, Roy did one 2K under 6:41, about five years ago.

50s rowers who train like Roy decline at a rate of 1.7 seconds per year over 2K.

Over five years, that is 8.5 seconds.

6:38 + 8.5 = 6:46.5.

The 6:41 that I pulled this year was without a full regimen of distance rowing and without distance trials and sharpening.

Therefore, it is was without any anaerobic work whatsoever.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard hard sharpening.

Who knows how much I get from hard distance rowing and distance trials.

That's my specialty, my major strength.

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[ranger]

_Very_ rough and blustery out on the Huron River today.

But I was happy to find that I handled it just fine.

I didn't feel much difference from the increased load and "aft" position of the footplate, but it is pretty hard to tell, given the howling wind, two foot waves, and sub-50 degree F. weather.

6K was enough today, given the conditions.

I am sure that conditions will be better tomorrow.

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[ranger]

It doesn't help Roy's rowing to bike rather than row.



If he wants to take up rowing again, I think he'll be surprised at the setback.

Good luck to him in his biking, though.

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[PaulH]

...howling wind, two foot waves, and sub-50 degree F. weather.

Then I take my hat off to you - if the water was touching the bottom of the riggers when I rowed we'd be heading in, and that was a lot less than 2 feet. I trust you took proper care of your shell - hit a swell of that size head on and you could break its back. Still, your boat handling skills are clearly massively superior to mine, so I'm sure you knew that already.

[mikvan52]

like Mike VB, he'll have a hard time pulling 6:50.

ranger

I pulled 6:47 this year, Rich. Give it a break.
You pulled 6:41 & 7:11, I pulled 6:47 and 6:49...
In your book that makes you better than anyone who's ever rowed

Today I sculled:

8k warmup then:

Spin - water - power bar
reset timer and headed homeward
12:28 pm

• 2k - 2:08 - 20.0 spm - 8:34.4 - 2:08.6 overall average - 170 strokes
• 4k - 2:04 - 21.5 - 16:54.1 - 2:06.7 overall average - 347 str.
• 6k - 2:04 - 22.5 - 25:10.4 - 2:05.8 overall average - 533 str.

Comment nice little 6k steady state for this time of year!

4k cool down

Rich: I thought you might appreciate the following calculation based on my avg. rate of
21.17 spm
WASp-i of 8.3 (2:05.8/21.17)

Total meters today = 18,000
.
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[JohnBove]

You get slower and slower.

Nope.

Look again.

Last year I did an unprepared 6:41.

This year I did an uprepared 6:41.

Just the same.

It's Roy who has gotten slower and slower!

Roy isn't training for rowing anymore. What Roy does is irrelevant. What is relevant is your constant bleating about what you'll do and your utter inability to do it. You haven't gotten within three seconds of Roy's record.

And, again, your saying you were unprepared is an excuse, a bald lie, or else a contradiction of previous lies. Read what you wrote above: a year's training gained you nothing. Tough luck; you aren't able to equal Roy's record, despite your constant babbling that it's "soft." What's that make you? A self-deluded douchebag, for one thing ...

[mikvan52]

BIRC 2010 will be my opportunity to shine.

I'll get in plenty of distance trials and sharpening before then in order to be fully prepared for 2K.

So, let's get this straight:

1st you lose a $1k bet
2nd you inherit money
2nd (point 5) you don't pay you debt
3rd you buy a $7k boat
4th you decide that you'll concentrate on your erging through the summer and into the fall.
5th you plan to start 5k head racing in 15 months.

Bizarre.
Does anyone see a problem with this?

[jliddil]

BIRC 2010 will be my opportunity to shine.

I'll get in plenty of distance trials and sharpening before then in order to be fully prepared for 2K.

So, let's get this straight:

1st you lose a $1k bet
2nd you inherit money
2nd (point 5) you don't pay you debt
3rd you buy a $7k boat
4th you decide that you'll concentrate on your erging through the summer and into the fall.
5th you plan to start 5k head racing in 15 months.

Bizarre.
Does anyone see a problem with this?

Same as it ever was

[Byron Drachman]

6K was enough today, given the conditions.

What a wimp! I did twice that today.