The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Maybe you should ask yourself if Lance Armstrong goes running 2 hours every day

Lance doesn't ride for just 90min a day.

I assume that he does something in the range of six hours.

That is half again as much as my time on the erg _plus_ my cross-training, which comes out to 4 hours or so.

ranger

[ranger]

15 x 2K @ 1:44 (1 minute rest).

I don't dispute this is a great workout. I dispute the idea that you can do it. A solid interval workout like this is not the same as RWB haphazardly. Prove me wrong. Set your monitor up for a 2k interval workout with 1 minute rest. Knock them off at 1:44 and see how many you can do. Post a screenshot of the workout. Simple. This isn't racing, you just said it's a workout typical of what you do every day. Post it. We'll all be proven wrong. The only thing we wont have is HR data because your monitor 'broke' on the eve of when you were supposed to start doing distance trials with HR data. Convenient. I don't suppose you own a roll of duct tape that could hold the monitor together?

As I remember, Mike C. likes to do 10 x 1500m (1 minute rest) for a UT1/Level 3 workout.

2K seems to be a rounder (and more interesting) number of meters for the intervals.

Sure, I agree.

If I can't do 15 x 2K @ 1:44 (1 minute rest), I can't do 60min @ 1:44.

Your challenge is a good one.

I'll see what I can do.

I would rate 28 spm.

As I mentioned before, interestingly, for a 60s lwt, each of these 2K intervals would best the 60s lwt American record for 2K, which is 6:56.6.

ranger

[snowleopard]

My bet with Henry was two-part.

No, it wasn't. You lost the first bet and you owe.

Henry then very generously gave you an opportunity to win some many back with a second, different wager. The bets are in no way related.

[ranger]

A solid interval workout like this is not the same as RWB haphazardly

Not true at all.

Workouts are opportunities to get better.

They aren't races.

Getting better in distance rowing is largely a matter of relaxation, habituation, efficiency, etc.

It has nothing to do with racing.

"Solid interval workouts" impose a rigid, inhuman grid over an all-too-human task--getting better.

A freer format lets you focus on just those things you need to do in order to improve, rather than the achievement of a certain time on each rigidly defined interval.

Relaxation, habituation, efficiency, etc., have nothing to do with racing.

In fact, they are antithetical to it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Any results yet?

Any training details?

Or is Saturday merely for yawning?

[ranger]

This is what I want to say.

If you can do a structured interval workout such as 15 x 2K (1 minute rest), then sure, you can do something similar in a free format.

Why?

Because you have learned those things that you need to learn in order to accomplish the task--relaxation, habituation, efficiency, etc.

But I think this is also true.

You will have a much harder time learning what you need to learn if you only do structured interval workouts.

In fact, you probably won't learn what you need to learn at all.

Structured interval workouts encourage strain, exceptional effort, inefficiency, etc., in order to meet the fixed targets.

So they are exactly counterproductive vis-a-vis the things you have to learn to do well.

By not attending to the flow of your physical and psychological energies, structured interval workouts just make you stale, discouraged, sick, and injured.

Most of those who train with structured interval workouts in all of their training only stay in the sport a short while and then quit.

They punish themselves--mentally and physically.

And what do they get for it?

Nothing, if that.

Usually, after a very short while, they just get worse.

You can only punish yourself so long for no results (or negative results) before you call it quits, before you decide it isn't worth it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

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[lancs]

It's far more interesting to see ranger all liquored up posting 10 times in a row in the middle of the night.

It had struck me that one explanation for Ranger's continual posting of complete and utter nonsense is that he's a raging alcoholic who sits up on his pc all night..

[mikvan52]

For the new-bees here:

This is the time of year we veterans start to come to terms with **no ranger posted results**until winter rolls around again.

Next up: "in the fall" (a delaying tactic to secure readership)
Then: "I will go to BIRC"... then he doesn't
Then: "6:28 by the end of September"... (no 6:28)
December is traditionally "stepper month"

Oh, well.
"good competition for paint drying"

I was hoping for a post from ranger today that suspends distance trials again...
It will come late next week.
Ranger's not at weight when he wakes up in the morning these days anyway. Heaven help him when he posts as a hwt!

[hjs]

My bet with Henry was two-part.

Sure, when I am fully trained, if I fail to reach my targets, I will pay the part of the bet that Henry has won.

I will have lost both parts of the bet.

ranger

Nope it was not. Why don,t you pm on this? I had a really good idea. And a pm to me stays a pm, it won,t go further......

[hjs]

I have no doubt that you've done that over and over (the last time being 2003, I assume, since you have not done any sharpening since), which means you have never NOT done it and have no way of comparing the two situations. Maybe you should ask yourself if Lance Armstrong goes running 2 hours every day, or if any of your precious Danes hop on a bike for two hours every day during the last few weeks before the World Championships.

Crosstraining 2 hours a day is counterproductive when "sharpening". A waste of energy and time.

Lance is not 60.

Will he be 10% body fat when he is 60?

I will be surprised.

He is pretty muscular.

Lance and I are about the same size.

5'11", 165 lbs.

ranger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDawlrIeaVM

Lance doing weights.............

[hjs]

It's far more interesting to see ranger all liquored up posting 10 times in a row in the middle of the night.

It had struck me that one explanation for Ranger's continual posting of complete and utter nonsense is that he's a raging alcoholic who sits up on his pc all night..

Henry Rono ran 3 Wr s in a row, eating nothing inbetween only drinking................

[ranger]

Three foggy mornings and one rainy day
Can rot the best birch fence a man can build.

--Robert Frost, "Home Burial"

ranger

[ranger]

Any results yet?

Any training details?

Or is Saturday merely for yawning?

Saturday was for a lot of 1:45 @ 27 spm.

Really finding the rhythm.

HR couldn't have been more than 155 bpm.

ranger

[ranger]

Lance doing weights.............

If Lance wants to build more full-body strength, its would be quicker (and more fun) just to row.

Weights are unnatural.

A big waste of time.

ranger