The Two Types of Training

[whp4]

BTW, Butsch has informed us that checks are now in the mail for record-breakers at the Chicago venue this winter.

Good, now you can send Henry some of the money you owe him!

[Carl Watts]

Firstly I have to apologise to Ranger for having to cut and paste all of those C2 results in the 2K (and to everyone else who had to scroll down through them) from the fastest to my result at number 463.

Still I'm pretty happy to make the top 500 in my second ever 2K at race pace.

Been rowing on RowPro now for 6 months with good progress, so hopefully it will not take me another 6 1/2 years to learn how to row properly.

I promise to be more considerate next time when I beat your PB so you will only have to cut and paste about 125 results !

Cheers,

[ranger]

The 60s lwt American record is Gregory Brock's 6:56.6.

So, in this country at least, we are indeed getting ready to enter a new era of rowing in these older age groups.

If I pull 6:16 at 60, I will be under this American record by a nice, round 10 seconds per 500m.

60min @ 1:44 would show the same gap in achievement.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

6:56/6:56/6:56/6:56/6:56/6:56/6:56/6:56

8 x 2K @ 1:44/6:56

The difference would be (exactly) two training bands.

I would match Greg's TR with my top-end UT1.

ranger

[ranger]

Been rowing on RowPro now for 6 months with good progress, so hopefully it will not take me another 6 1/2 years to learn how to row properly

I like your spirit, although the task is indeed daunting.

Effective low rate rowing for a heavyweight is 16 SPI.

Efficient rowing is 13 SPI/31 spm @ 10 MPS for 60min.

If you get it done in less that 6 1/2 years, you will have indeed put my poor efforts to shame.

Good luck in your training.

Here's your competition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j23MfUqIDQ


ranger

[ausrwr]

How about the fact that you've failed to rank a time for anything other than 2k since 2002?

Many of the WR-breakers didn't, and still don't, rank their times for other distances--Eskild E., Mike C., Paul Hendershott, Andy Ripley, etc.

Ranking times for other distances has nothing to do with overcoming your weaknesses, which is what good training is all about.

Ranking times for other distances is about parading your strengths, which is just self-congratulatory avoidance of your weaknesses, something that will never make you better.

ranger

"Self-congratulatory avoidance of your weaknesses" eh?
Sounds much like your rowing career over the last few years.
You've perfected your stroke.
You're so much better.
But you can't get within a bull's roar of your old PBs when you were rowing like shit, and you are scrupulous in avoiding any OTW competition.

And your stroke is perfect ? I can't wait to see its first outing OTW.

No matter how fit you are and how well you think you're rowing, you're going to get some brutal lessons.
After seven years of OTW rowing, you're no longer a novice.
But you're still rubbish.

[lancs]

If I pull 6:16 at 60, I will be under this American record by a nice, round 10 seconds per 500m.

What amuses me about your constant references to this 6:16 is that anyone new to you or your threads would assume that you were within reasonable reach of 1:34 pace for a 2k, when infact you haven't gone under 6:40 as a lwt in several years. And no crap about not being fully trained either. Anyone seriously within reach of a 6:16 could rattle off 6:30's at will. But you can't. I suspect that as a fully hydrated hwt you could probably break Roy's lwt WR but as the dehydrated lwt you are, you have little chance. Keep on trying though..

[ranger]

Sorry.

I've been misreporting the drag I am using now.

It's not 135 df.; it's 123 df.

Great stuff.

At this low drag, it is easy to get great length and quickness with the legs.

In fact, drives are quicker throughout, as are the matching recoveries.

Because of this, the rate floats up naturally.

I am now just rowing along in my distance training at 30-32 spm.

So, outside of warm ups, there is no longer any reason to row at rates below 30-32 spm.

No need whatsoever for low rate rowing (16-22 spm), or even rowing at moderate rates (23-29 spm).

My stroking power is fine, and I can just row steady state, under my anaerobic threshold, at 30-32 spm, day after day.

Speed can be modulated somewhat by stroking power.

10 SPI is stroking _very_ easily, taking a rest.

11 SPI is stroking normally.

12 SPI is stroking hard.

At 30 spm, 10 SPI is 1:45; 11 SPI is 1:42; 12 SPI is 1:39.

At 31 spm, 10 SPI is 1:44; 11 SPI is 1:41; 12 SPI is 1:38.

At 32 spm, 10 SPI is 1:43; 11 SPI is 1:40; 12 SPI is 1:37.

Delighted with all of this.

Erging is _really_ going to be fun from here on out.

Stroke feels great.

Smooth, easy, power.

Great leverage and length.

Hugely relaxed.

My distance rowing is coming back now in spades--renovated, renewed.

On this sort of rowing, my stroking power is up 2 SPI vis-a-vis 2003, and with no reduction in rate.

That a gain of 60 watts.

ranger

[ranger]

And no crap about not being fully trained either

Not sure why the truth is not an appropriate response.



The internet.

Gotta love it.

ranger

[ranger]

Anyone seriously within reach of a 6:16 could rattle off 6:30's at will.

When fully trained?

Sure.

I did several 6:32 2Ks in training, very easily, when I was pulling 6:28, back in 2003.

But that was in the final stages of sharpening, long after distance trials of all sorts, and long after a couple years of hard distance rowing.

I'm not sure where these sweeping statements are coming from.

Maybe you need a couple more cups of coffee to wake up.

No 60s lwt has rowed faster than 6:42.

Only three 50s lwts have rowed 6:30. I am one of them. The other two can no longer row 6:30.

A lwt 6:30 at 60, without even completing hard distance rowing, without distance trials, and without sharpening?

Wow.

That would be quite a trick.

The 60s lwt American record is 6:56.



Can I do it?

We'll soon see.



That's pretty much what I did in 2006, and I am _much_ better than that now.

ranger

[PaulH]

This is starting to get really exciting! 7 days left in the season, and 9 events to rank. Figure 500m and 1k doubled-up on the final day, and a HM timed as part of a FM today, then the other events one-a-day in between. What time will you be doing the first event? Or have you, hoping against hope, already done it?!

[ranger]

Actually, only one 60s rower of any sort, fully trained, has pulled 6:30 or under.

Paul Hendershott.

Paul is what, about 6'4", 225 lbs.?

Not a little guy.

At Chicago this year, I weighed in at 160 lbs.

I am 5'11"

ranger

[rjw]

We'll soon see.

Never were untruer words spoken!

[lancs]

Only three 50s lwts have rowed 6:30. I am one of them. The other two can no longer row 6:30.

And neither can you, as you've demonstrated repeatedly over the past few years.

Presumably you'll never be 'fully trained'? Repeated failures to break 6:40 will of course be due to the fact you're 'not fully trained'..

[chgoss]

Been rowing on RowPro now for 6 months with good progress, so hopefully it will not take me another 6 1/2 years to learn how to row properly.

There's only 1 person in the world that thinks "rowing well" is a state that once achieved, never has to be revisited.. everyone else understands the reality that you are forever getting better than what you were..

Congrats on the 7:03, sub 7's right around the corner. Hope to cya on RP some time!
-chad

[jliddil]

Sorry.

I've been misreporting