The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Ordered my new Fluidesign 1x today--in blue, with "Windhover" on the bow.

I'll drive up to London, Ontario, which isn't far at all, to pick it up.

They will have it done in four weeks.

So, May 17th?

Nice.

Thanks, mom!



ranger

[whp4]

I have been on 10,000 10K runs.

No, you haven't. That would be 40,000K a week for 50 years. So, once again, you are lying.

While I agree that his claims are to be viewed with extreme skepticism, your arithmetic is rather suspect as well

10,000 runs * 10k / run is "only" 100,000k of running.

40,000k / week * 50 years * 52 weeks/year is 104,000,000k. The problem is your use of 40,000k as his weekly total, which is a mere 5 miles short of the circumference of the Earth (measured over the poles). I don't think even TSO claims that he ran that much per week.

What I find puzzling about his claims of endless training all his life is how he ever managed to pork up to 200 lbs. He must have spent his entire salary on potato chips and beer.

[jliddil]

I have been on 10,000 10K runs.

OK but 100000 Km = 62 137 mile

Divide by 30 years and you get ~2000 miles a year

Or 40 miles a week

Certainly doable but this is purely word of mouth and hearsay as is everything this person writes

[Bob S.]

Certainly doable but this is purely word of mouth and hearsay as is everything this person writes

How about put-on or leg-pull?

[bloomp]

'Primarily aerobic' [vs.] what?

Skeletal-muscular strength, flexibility, quickness, agility, rhythmicity, fluidity, endurance, balance, timing, etc.

ranger

Ah yes, because endurance has nothing to do with aerobic capacity?

You should really practice not sounding stupid, as Letterman might do a similar list about you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnjuJ1pbmc

[mrfit]

Wait, Primary importance: Fingers that curl. Try rowing without that.

[whp4]

I have been on 10,000 10K runs.

OK but 100000 Km = 62 137 mile

Divide by 30 years and you get ~2000 miles a year

Or 40 miles a week

Certainly doable but this is purely word of mouth and hearsay as is everything this person writes

About the only time I trust what ranger says is when he says he rows like shit, or doesn't know how to row, or isn't prepared

Certainly 10,000 10K runs over the 30 or so years he claims to have been a runner would be pushing it, given that he lived in Michigan and Illinois, not somewhere more hospitable to year-round running, like California. That's a lot of running in snow for a guy who succumbs so easily to frozen feet

[snowleopard]

I have been on 10,000 10K runs.

No, you haven't. That would be 40,000K a week for 50 years. So, once again, you are lying.

While I agree that his claims are to be viewed with extreme skepticism, your arithmetic is rather suspect as well

10,000 runs * 10k / run is "only" 100,000k of running.

40,000k / week * 50 years * 52 weeks/year is 104,000,000k. The problem is your use of 40,000k as his weekly total, which is a mere 5 miles short of the circumference of the Earth (measured over the poles). I don't think even TSO claims that he ran that much per week.

What I find puzzling about his claims of endless training all his life is how he ever managed to pork up to 200 lbs. He must have spent his entire salary on potato chips and beer.

Yes, sorry, my bad I was on a fly-by and not paying enough attention.

[whp4]

'Primarily aerobic' [vs.] what?

Skeletal-muscular strength, flexibility, quickness, agility, rhythmicity, fluidity, endurance, balance, timing, etc.

ranger

Ah yes, because endurance has nothing to do with aerobic capacity?

You should really practice not sounding stupid, as Letterman might do a similar list about you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnjuJ1pbmc

There'd be some serious fisticuffs in the writers' room, trying to cut the list down to only 10 items!

Striking resemblance between the "confused stare" shot in that video and a picture of Rupp!

[JohnBove]

Do you want to clarify that one?

I haven't lost _any_ of my youthful full-body power--at all. ranger

Well here's your claim: You rowed 6:29 or whatever in 2003 (or whatever, I'm not going to look it up). By your own description you didn't know how to row then, and you're much better now. It's axiomatic that you weren't fully trained then, since it's seven years later and you, somehow, still aren't fully trained. So, you're clearly better trained now than you were then. And you were thirteen seconds slower in your best 2K. Over 7 in another and, of course, didn't show up actually to compete against people whom you might (were you sane) consider your peers, probably because whenever you do you get whipped.

You've clearly lost lots of power (or else it's mental toughness or aerobic capacity). On the other hand, you're obviously a major head case which, as I've said before, should compel me to feel sorry for you. But I don't.

[jliddil]

He's a headcase, a total loon. And loves being an @@shole

[Carl Watts]

I just love this thread, it's so amusing I just cannot wait to read it after my row in the mornings.

Hows the distance rowing coming on Ranger ?, still waiting for your sig. to be updated, only about 10 days to go you know.

Busy updating mine with the best that I can before the 2010 season ends. Will try for a better 2K time as it's out of alighnment with the rest of my results before May 1st. Shame you don't row online, I could give you a run for your money !

[johnlvs2run]

Ah.

Here is another thing.

Rowing is massively skeletal-muscular.

It is not primarily aerobic, as everyone likes to think.

The best thing you can do for your rowing, I think, is to learn to make maximal use your core.

You need to learn to explode with your hips in the middle of your stroke, as you swing your back, point your toes, and drive with your calves.

I did 1000 sit ups a day for five years or so in order to strengthen my core.

Pull ups are also a good measure of upper body power relative to rate. I can still do 30 pull ups.

Jumping rope is also great for the skeletal-muscular system, as is running.

I jumped rope for an hour a day for 10 years or so, just before and during when I took up rowing.

As a substitute for this hour of jumping rope, I did 10-mile runs.

For five years or so, I did the hour of jumping rope (or 10-mile run) and the hour of sit ups _before_ I did my 20K on the erg.

Hey.

No one said that being great at rowing was easy.




ranger

MikeB did.

[johnlvs2run]

180 bpm is AT for me.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

I see nothing wrong with this.

In fact, I asked the following question several weeks ago, and no one was able to answer.

I'd rather gain a better understanding of how to train in and around AT than have a fake discussion about humility.

Okay then here's a question for you. At what HR is your AT not fake?

[wgr]

Certainly doable but this is purely word of mouth and hearsay as is everything this person writes

How about put-on or leg-pull?

Poetic License, pure and simple.

I'm surprised that folks who have been reading here for more than a couple of weeks insist on precisely parsing Ranger's hyperbolic boasts and taking things literally. But don't stop now -- it does make for interesting reading and keeps us coming back.

Walter