The Two Types of Training

[Byron Drachman]

Beautiful morning OTW.

Put in 12K OTW

ranger totals otw this season: 32k

coaches advice:
Scrap the plan to scull all you meters at 26 spm or higher.

How did you arrive at that rating anyway?

My total meters OTW since the river unfroze March 9, 2010: 499K

[mikvan52]

I am starting at 26 spm (OTW) but that is just to get back into the swing of things again with bladework, et al.

As the summer goes by, I will push that rate to 30 spm.

Why 30 spm?

It just comes naturally.

That's what I do from day to day on the erg.

My regimen will be to row 20K on the erg just before dawn and then 20K OTW just after dawn.

They feel the same to me.

So I match them.

ranger

Someone named “rcureton” has posted 61 vids on youtube

This one is the most telling.
Wirc 2003 (CRASH-B)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkINV4ODahE

save yourself some tedium; go 7:30 into the video and watch what I call the “gaffed bass” sequence. Some of the most interesting erg-form ever seen on this planet. (Well maybe on other planets too)

The bobble-head enchants you every time you see this. Don't get me wrong: a 6:30.0 2k is great! Nicely paced too.

Funny that 7 years of progress with form cannot get him a better erg score at the same weight.

As I’m a sculler, I ponder the boat speed that might be produced by this kind of thrashing.
To be fair, historically I’ve been guilty of resorting to tricking a monitor or two every so often….

Fast forward to March 24, 2010 (just a few weeks ago)
Here’s what we have from rcureton 7 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6wF4tsGNYw

The head wants to go up and back, as in the “days of yesteryear”; the Lone Ranger will not “ride again”… well, at least not as fast as he did in the first video.

Boat speed query: Well, let’s just say that we should expect another remake of THE REVENGE OF THE MINI-TRAMP
What goeth up-eth mutht come-eth down-eth

There’s all kinds of form out there in ergo-land. Some bad, Some good. Some of the worst gets you the best erg scores.
Here's a vid' with a full spectrum of form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ydP6ovQEA

The best of both worlds is Joan Van Blom’s (seen briefly in the above)

[ranger]

ranger totals otw this season: 32k

coaches advice:
Scrap the plan to scull all you meters at 26 spm or higher.

How did you arrive at that rating anyway?

Yea, only 32K so far.

So if I can only put in 20K a day, plus 20K on the erg, I'll only be able to get in 1.2 million meters of each before I come out east to row with you.

Oh well.

There will be four months of OTW rowing this year after June, too.

And who knows?

We might get in some meters on the Connecticut, too, during the last two weeks in June.

ranger

[ranger]

Wirc 2003 (CRASH-B)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkINV4ODahE

Fast forward to March 24, 2010 (just a few weeks ago)
Here’s what we have from rcureton 7 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6wF4tsGNYw

Sorry, coach.

I would like to go along with your judgment.

But I don't see any resemblance between the two.

So it goes.

In the first video, I get 90 kgs. of peak pressure with my legs.

I initiate the stroke with my back and arms and drag my legs along for the ride.

In the second video, I get 115 kgs. of peak pressure.

I initiate the stroke with my legs and sequence my levers--legs, back, arms.

No resemblance between the two dynamically.

When I did the first stroke in a 1x, I fell right out.

Now, my erg stroke and OTW feel just the same.

OTW, I just paddle along at 26 spm, no problem.

Back in 2003, at 24 spm, I pulled about 1:54.

As you see in the video, at 24 spm, I now pull 1:48.

That's a signficant improvement in stroking power.

ranger

[mikvan52]

who knows...
We might get in some meters on the Connecticut, too, during the last two weeks in June.

ranger

I guess you know!

Do come. It will be a blast!
I'll have the campground prepared and ready for a restful stay!

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[mikvan52]

Wirc 2003 (CRASH-B)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkINV4ODahE

Fast forward to March 24, 2010 (just a few weeks ago)
Here’s what we have from rcureton 7 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6wF4tsGNYw

But I don't see any resemblance between the two.



In the first video, I get 90 kgs. of peak pressure with my legs.



In the second video, I get 115 kgs. of peak pressure.

I initiate (blah blah)

No resemblance ... dynamically.

Funny, I thought the erg was a "truth machine".. Who was the genius who came up with that one?

Truth:
2003, February... ranger... 2k ... 6:30.0

Truth:
2010, March... ranger... 2k... 6:41.x

weed out the static: peak pressure, left-leaning haystack, spi, dynamite-itisity, to whole catastrophe.
Set the monitor on 2000m and run it down to zero...

Rocket Science!

Hey, ever tried 2k as a 59 yr old hwt (as you are each morning when you get up)?

[ranger]

Truth:
2003, February... ranger... 2k ... 6:30.0

Truth:
2010, March... ranger... 2k... 6:41.x

No, truth is always relative to context.

The first 2K race was after a couple of years of hard distance rowing, with distance trials at all distances, and then two months of conventional sharpening.

The second 2K was done without any of that, just on the basis of foundational training and some moderately hard distance rowing--all UT.

No hard distance rowing, no distance trials, no sharpening--so no anaerobic capacities.

Not even any AT.

Given that I am seven years older in the second, and given this context, the result is astonishing.

It predicts something like a 6:24 2K.

I pulled the 6:41 at max drag.

This was also a mistake.

I am much better at 135 df.

At a lower drag, I get better length, so even bigger legs.

ranger

[ranger]

My total meters OTW since the river unfroze March 9, 2010: 499K

Nice goin', Bryon.

I suspect I'll catch you well before the end of the season, though.

So, the fun will be equal in the end.

ranger

[ranger]

I guess you know!

Yes, I can look at a force contour and note the difference.

The quesiton is: Can you?

BTW, do you have any force contours of your erging that you can post?

I'm not sure that I've ever seen one.

What does your force contour look like when you are just stroking naturally?

How much peak pressure do you get?

What is the shape of your force curve?

ranger

[lancs]

Given that I am seven years older in the second, and given this context, the result is astonishing.

It predicts something like a 6:24 2K.

I pulled the 6:41 at max drag.

Amongst all the absolute tripe you've spouted over the last few years, and as we both know there's been a lot of that, this is possibly one of the absolute best!

You're energy does amaze me Prof, I have to admit. To come on here day after day, year after year and not back it up with one iota of substance must take some doing. And no, a 6:41 2k doesn't back it up..

[ranger]

Given that I am seven years older in the second, and given this context, the result is astonishing.

It predicts something like a 6:24 2K.

I pulled the 6:41 at max drag.

Amongst all the absolute tripe you've spouted over the last few years, and as we both know there's been a lot of that, this is possibly one of the absolute best!

You're energy does amaze me Prof, I have to admit. To come on here day after day, year after year and not back it up with one iota of substance must take some doing. And no, a 6:41 2k doesn't back it up..

Achievement on the erg, Lancs, is all about training.

It has nothing to do with racing.

The _training_ backs it up, Lancs.

Although you wouldn't know.

Kudos for me.

C'est dommage for you.

Given your times now, the prediction is that you will row a (yawn) 6:55 2K when you are 60.

Good luck with it.

At 60, I am going to pull a 6:16 2K.

Training is coming along great.

You haven't come within 20 seconds of a WR.

So you are the one who is spouting tripe.

Sorry to say so, Lancs.

But you don't know shit, and everyone here knows it.

ranger

[snowleopard]

But you don't know shit, and everyone here knows it.

ranger,

The only thing that everyone here knows is that you are totally full of sh*t.

BTW don't drink _and_ medicate, the end product is not very dignified. What would happen if your wife found out?

[ranger]

Lancs--

At 35, you're erging what I did at 52.

The difference is 17 seconds over 2K, at the least.

When you find that 17 seconds, get back to me.

Sorry.

But right now, you just a laughingstock.

Ho, ho, ho.

The WR in your age and weight division is 6:06, not your 6:28.

ranger

[ranger]

The only thing that everyone here knows is that you are totally full of sh*t.

Totally agreed.

But this just shines a bright light on "everyone here," not on me.

Ho, ho, ho.

ranger

[chgoss]

I'm with Lancs...
Sorry Rich, this entire argument of yours that you have all this as-yet-unexploited improvement headroom left in your times because of where you are in your "training cycle" just doesn't fly. You're posted times the past 7 years tell a very consistent story.