The Two Types of Training

[Byron Drachman]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Oct 3, 2006: Sharpening needs to be done for six weeks or so before you race

March 30, 2010: So far, I have just done UT work. I haven't done even one predictive training session yet. Even distance trials are AT. Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

March 31, 2010: I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

April 13, 2010: All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now. I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals. Then I will be fully trained.

April 17. 2010: On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

April 17, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

[ranger]

BTW, you have absolutely no idea how I row

Which is telling, no?

Asymmetrical exchanges are aggressively uncivil.

No one respectable would be attracted to such a thing.

But you obviously are.

ranger

[stroke]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Oct 3, 2006: Sharpening needs to be done for six weeks or so before you race

March 30, 2010: So far, I have just done UT work. I haven't done even one predictive training session yet. Even distance trials are AT. Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

March 31, 2010: I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

April 13, 2010: All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now. I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals. Then I will be fully trained.

April 17. 2010: On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

April 17, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

As I said No wonder it is a warm spring in Ann Arbor the amount of hot air is truly amazing!!

[lancs]

My 2K times are going the other way.

Really?

What was your sb when you were 52? What is your sb this year? I know you're an English prof but I'm sure even you can see that your times are declining in line with everyone else your age. However even I'm surprised that you've never been able to beat Roy's soft WR for your age group. No more than an AT row for you so I'm puzzled that you're still 3 seconds off the pace..

[mikvan52]

Let's keep it civil, children

I misread you.
Sorry.

[PaulH]

The logical conclusion, then, is that you haven't trained well

Logical to whom?

Logical to you, I assume - this is what you're saying, not me. You stated that racing is just holding a steady pace and pulling, and that the only pre-condition for it is to train well (present tense, please note; you don't have to be in some way 'finished' with your training, you just need to be in the process of doing it well).

You have shown that you struggle to hold a steady pace and pull. If we ask why, by your logic the only determinant is that you be training well. Hence, you are not training well. Your logic, not mine.

[mikvan52]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Oct 3, 2006: Sharpening needs to be done for six weeks or so before you race

March 30, 2010: So far, I have just done UT work. I haven't done even one predictive training session yet. Even distance trials are AT. Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

March 31, 2010: I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

April 13, 2010: All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now. I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals. Then I will be fully trained.

April 17. 2010: On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

April 17, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

Byron:
Watching ranger for years now: Do you feel as I do?
RWB is sharpening. All he does is sharpen : vis. "no easy strokes" "13.x spi" and the like.
It's given ranger great scores but no WR in the 55-59 age group. Hence, it is a failure.
The complete absence of distance rankings over 7 years from him is an indication that he has been unable to maintain his excellent prior distance work (16.7k/60' in 2003).

Rich: Don't misconstrue me. You are great. The sad thing is you fall short. You are unable to get a 55-59 all-time best at any distance (or time) or weight category.
Change your training and you'll return to the very top on the erg as a 60 year old.
Best wishes for the future in the sparsely populated age groups (60's and beyond).

[snowleopard]

BTW, you have absolutely no idea how I row

Which is telling, no?

Asymmetrical exchanges are aggressively uncivil.

No one respectable would be attracted to such a thing.

But you obviously are.

You think your compulsive lying is in any way respectable or attractive? Why would I dignify your blatant stupidity with anything credible?

(Sorry Mike)

[KevJGK]

In public, with everyone watching, I am rowing WR pace, without even preparing for it.

Even without preparing for it, my 2K times are over 20 seconds better than anyone my age and weight (or older).

Come off it. You have to be some kind of super moron to spend as much time training as you do and then describe your performances as "without even preparing for it".

A serious question; what on earth is the motivation behind making your continuous quest to make a complete and utter idiot of yourself?

[ranger]

You have to be some kind of super moron to spend as much time training as you do and then describe your performances as "without even preparing for it".

Foundational rowing prepares you for distance rowing.

Distance rowing prepares you for distance trials.

Distance trials prepare you to sharpening.

Sharpening prepares you to race.

I am just finishing up my distance rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

Beautiful morning OTW.

Put in 12K OTW, after 20K on the erg.

If I am not doing long warm ups or cross-training, I don't seem to have any trouble doing both.

I do my erging before dawn and then my OTW rowing just after dawn.

My OTW rowing feels fine, such as it is.

26 spm is now comfortable for just paddling along.

I will be vastly better at the end of this OTW rowing season if I can put in 20K a day in my 1x.

ranger

[rjw]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Oct 3, 2006: Sharpening needs to be done for six weeks or so before you race

March 30, 2010: So far, I have just done UT work. I haven't done even one predictive training session yet. Even distance trials are AT. Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

March 31, 2010: I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

April 13, 2010: All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now. I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals. Then I will be fully trained.

April 17. 2010: On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

April 17, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

WoW!

I had no idea that TSO wasn't sharpening and doing distance trials because he said he was.

Thanks for sharing that Brian :

Ranger, do you have any plans on even going for one distance trial prior to May 1st?

Didn't think so.

[jliddil]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Oct 3, 2006: Sharpening needs to be done for six weeks or so before you race

March 30, 2010: So far, I have just done UT work. I haven't done even one predictive training session yet. Even distance trials are AT. Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

March 31, 2010: I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

April 13, 2010: All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now. I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals. Then I will be fully trained.

April 17. 2010: On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

April 17, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials yet, much less sharpened.

Psycho Killer

I can’t seem to face up to the facts.
I’m tense and nervous and I... can’t relax.
I can’t sleep, cause my bed’s on fire.
Don’t touch me I’m a real live wire.

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You start a conversation you can't even finish it.
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?

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Ce que j'ai fait, ce soir-là [What I did that night]
Ce qu'elle a dit, ce soir-là [What she said that night]
Réalisant mon espoir [Making my hope come true]
Je me lance vers la gloire ... okay
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We are vain and we are blind
I hate people when they're not polite

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[Byron Drachman]

Byron:
Watching ranger for years now: Do you feel as I do?
RWB is sharpening. All he does is sharpen : vis. "no easy strokes" "13.x spi" and the like.

Hi Mike,
I think you're right. The RWB is putting too much emphasis on anaerobic instead of aerobic training. The RWB probably encourages handle-downs. Just take a break when it starts to hurt. The 2003 60 minute piece could have been done on the just row setting, so like his FM@2:11 a couple of years ago, it was probably filled with breaks.

cue to Ranger: I rowed world records in 2003 and I'm so much better now.

[ranger]

RWB is sharpening. All he does is sharpen : vis. "no easy strokes" "13.x spi" and the like

Yes, RWBs is a type of sharpening--for the skeletal-muscular system and for technique.

It is _very_ hard, and I did it for five years.

I don't do any low rate rowing now, though. I stopped doing low rate rowing about a year ago.

I am now doing distance rowing, different matter entirely.

Minimal rate for me now is 26 spm, with the norm around 29 spm @ 10 MPS.

I am no longer pulling 13-16 SPI, I am pulling 11 SPI.

_All_ of the strokes are easy.

I will pull a little harder during sharpening, and for racing, 12 SPI.

That will be moderate stroking, not hard, not easy.

Then again, I will only have to do it for 6-7 minutes.

I will try to row about 26 spm when I am OTW.

ranger