The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

Ironically, those who think they have something to prove whenever they train and therefore are always trying to prove it by racing their training usually discover when they race that because they haven't trained they have nothing to prove, while those who don't think that they have anything to prove with their training and therefore just train hard find ample proof when they race that they have trained well.

ranger

Nice run on sentence

Proof that his training is going well and that he is "happy with that".

[mikvan52]

those who don't think that they have anything to prove with their training and therefore just train hard find ample proof when they race that they have trained well.

ranger

Remind us again where the 6k on the erg (or water) is "raced".
...and 60'
...and the HM
...and the FM
...and 30'

The whiskey-man circuit?


There aren't any public races for this ...as you and Rod Freed know so well. Hence, no IND_Vs in the rankings by either of you.

BTW ~ Where's Rupp? We need our daily dose of "no such thing as AT" to keep things lively here

But back to the same tired question:
Where's a screen shot of ranger training at any distance 5k and over ?



OOT-fray OOPS-lay!
Ritchie-poo! (ITCHIE-ray OO-pay)

[Nosmo]

Remind us again where the 6k on the erg (or water) is "raced".
...and 60'
...and the HM
...and the FM
...and 30'

Well OTW:
The Black Fly is pretty close to 6K (5850?). One of the the best races in the country.
The Head of the Estuary in Oakland used to be 6K but it hasn't been run in a while.
The Petaluma River Marathon/Half Marathon. Also a really great race.
A friend of mine did 50K in England.

Ranger will never do any of these.

[Nosmo]

No one gets better by racing.

One the small chance that someone on the forum might take this a little seriously, this is pure idiocy. I doubt Ranger believes this, only spews such nonsense as an excuse not to do any trials or just to be a troll.
One can not learn to race well without racing.
You can learn to erg pretty well without racing but you still need to do trials but one can't learn to row OTW well without racing.
There is not a professional cyclist in the world that does not use races as preparation for the most important races.

[mikvan52]

Remind us again where the 6k on the erg (or water) is "raced".
...and 60'
...and the HM
...and the FM
...and 30'

Well OTW:
The Black Fly is pretty close to 6K (5850?). One of the the best races in the country.
The Head of the Estuary in Oakland used to be 6K but it hasn't been run in a while.
The Petaluma River Marathon/Half Marathon. Also a really great race.
A friend of mine did 50K in England.

Ranger will never do any of these.

Thanks for these OTW locations.
The erg races I know of in the US are:

Mid Atlantics... Alexandria VA
Baltimore Burn...

ranger has never done these to my knowledge at any distance other than 2k.

So what's all this air of authority about racing on the erg for long distance?... He's not done any...

[mikvan52]

No one gets better by racing.

One the small chance that someone on the forum might take this a little seriously, this is pure idiocy. I doubt Ranger believes this, only spews such nonsense as an excuse not to do any trials or just to be a troll.
One can not learn to race well without racing.
You can learn to erg pretty well without racing but you still need to do trials but one can't learn to row OTW well without racing.
There is not a professional cyclist in the world that does not use races as preparation for the most important races.

I agree with you, Greg.
And isn't it also interesting that according to our " er-guru" ... He hasn't even raced this year. It was UT for him

BTW: According to Rich's admonitions about racing while training I couldn't have gotten faster last summer at 1k OTW when, in reality I raced my way down from 3:58 to 3:40 over that distance... Just think how fast I would have gone if I'd chosen not to race at all like Rich! WOW!


Professor Maverick scores again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8_AhxR3tZ4

We fall for ranger every time just as we do for the inane appeal of a bobble-head!

[ranger]

Ironically, those who think they have something to prove whenever they train and therefore are always trying to prove it by racing their training usually discover when they race that because they haven't trained they have nothing to prove, while those who don't think that they have anything to prove with their training and therefore just train hard find ample proof when they race that they have trained well.

ranger

Nice run on sentence

No, not run on.

Just complex.

ranger

[ranger]

I couldn't have gotten faster last summer at 1k OTW when, in reality I raced my way down from 3:58 to 3:40 over that distance

My reference wasn't to OTW rowing.

This webside is not primarily for OTW rowing.

This thread is not about OTW rowing.

Not sure how your comments could be more irrelevant as a response, then.

This year, you indeed raced your training on the erg, and predictably, got slower.

That's what is relevant to my comment.

To get better at 2K on the erg, you would have to improve your foundational (UT2 and UT1) rowing.

No one ever got better at erging a 2K by racing their training.

ranger

[ranger]

Remind us again where the 6k on the erg (or water) is "raced"

Racing on the erg is 2K.

The other events are training for 2K.

Performances in the other events are _related_ to performance over 2K in pretty regular ways, though.

That is their significance.

6K is done at 2K + 6.

ranger

[jliddil]

Ironically, those who think they have something to prove whenever they train and therefore are always trying to prove it by racing their training usually discover when they race that because they haven't trained they have nothing to prove, while those who don't think that they have anything to prove with their training and therefore just train hard find ample proof when they race that they have trained well.

ranger

Nice run on sentence

No, not run on.

Just complex.

ranger

Overly so

[stroke]

I'm glancing in the rankings this morning before work. Still no 60' piece by ranger.
I wonder why since he feels weight is not an issue.

Nice and warm this spring in Ann Arbor.

It is supposed to be 80 degrees F. today

ranger

Not surprising given the amount of hot air you generate

[mikvan52]

My 6K is done at 2K X Zero.

ranger

[Bob S.]

Well OTW:
The Black Fly is pretty close to 6K (5850?). One of the the best races in the country.
The Head of the Estuary in Oakland used to be 6K but it hasn't been run in a while.
The Petaluma River Marathon/Half Marathon. Also a really great race.
A friend of mine did 50K in England.

Ranger will never do any of these.

How about the Bay to Bay in San Diego, the Catalina to Marina del Rey, and the Round the Farallones. A little blue water stuff instead of all that skinny shell - flat water business.

Bob S.

[whp4]

There's also the 17 mile "Death Row" put on in September by the Duluth Rowing Club. I believe Zrower's old man and a friend rowed the best 2x in the 2009 installment.

[ranger]

One can not learn to race well without racing.

If you train well, there is really nothing to be learned about racing on the erg.

You just hold a steady pace and pull.

I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in my first race--6:27.5.

Before that race, I had only pulled two maximal 2Ks at home, one in 6:42 and one in 6:32.

On the erg, good sharpening, by and large, is just simulated racing at shorter distances, repeated, over and over; and everyone needs to sharpen for a couple of months in order to pull their best 2K on the erg.

And how well you do when you sharpen is entirely predictable.

It is determined completely by how well you do in your foundational and distance training before you sharpen.

On the erg, there are no wakes, no spray, no wet, no wind, no cold, no current, no turns, no bridges, no bladework, no passing, no trailing, no rigging, no balancing, no steering, no problems with seeing, etc.

Erging is just a test of your physical capacity with certain aspects of the OTW rowing stroke in perfect, predictable conditions, conditions that are the same in training as they are in racing.

ranger