The Two Types of Training

[snowleopard]

Personal histories can be changed, depending on purposes.

Our hero really is a Time Lord. Not only is he capable of seeing into the future, but also of influencing the past. Wow!

[ranger]

Was that LWT?

Weight is irrelevant.

It is just fat.

On the erg, fat does speed you up or slow you down.

It just hangs there.

ranger

[ranger]

Personal histories can be changed, depending on purposes.

Our hero really is a Time Lord. Not only is he capable of seeing into the future, but also of influencing the past. Wow!

Personal histories do not determine the future.

Habits can be changed, depending on purposes.

ranger

[ranger]

est of luck with your erging between now and the end of THIS month. WIll you quit the erg in favor of the water for the summer? Some WR holders on the erg do... Some don't even erg much at all ever (like Ursula Grobler). She's said she hates it.

Is Ursula someone like you, who has lost 60 bpm from your youthful maxHR due to inactivity and age, not to mention a good part of your strength, quickness, agility, flexibility, endurance, tolerance for work, etc.?

I'm not sure the case is parallel.

ranger

[pmacaula]

Rich,
Not sure if you have your heart set on a new Fluid direct from Gord, but am sure there are a few good deals out there on used 1xs. Just got our club newsletter & there is at least one good mid-weight 1x for sale (see below). Am sure you can find others, notably row2k and the Hudson and Fluid websites.

I purchased an older (2001) Empacher C-12 last season for a very good price & am don't feel I am at a disadvantage relative to the guys in brand new shells...

FOR SALE
2004 Elite Hudson Mid-Weight 1X (150-185 lbs)
-Fully refurbished in Winter of 2009 and only rowed for 1 week in Spring/Summer 2009
-Deck and hull color: White
-Comes with wiring and SpeedCoach
-$5900.00 CDN or best offer
Contact Jacopo at 416-553-9948 or jacopo_stifani@hotmail.com. Photos available upon request.


Cheers. Patrick.

[mikvan52]

Rich,
Not sure if you have your heart set on a new Fluid direct from Gord, but am sure there are a few good deals out there on used 1xs. Just got our club newsletter & there is at least one good mid-weight 1x for sale (see below). Am sure you can find others, notably row2k and the Hudson and Fluid websites.

I purchased an older (2001) Empacher C-12 last season for a very good price & am don't feel I am at a disadvantage relative to the guys in brand new shells...

FOR SALE
2004 Elite Hudson Mid-Weight 1X (150-185 lbs)
-Fully refurbished in Winter of 2009 and only rowed for 1 week in Spring/Summer 2009
-Deck and hull color: White
-Comes with wiring and SpeedCoach
-$5900.00 CDN or best offer
Contact Jacopo at 416-553-9948 or jacopo_stifani@hotmail.com. Photos available upon request.


Cheers. Patrick.

Great boat!
I know of another like this for only $5,000.00 => same year, refurbished... Let me know.
Come with cover for both the hull and the rigger (Arctic 'Hi-Yo" Silver in color, too!)

[mikvan52]

est of luck with your erging between now and the end of THIS month. WIll you quit the erg in favor of the water for the summer? Some WR holders on the erg do... Some don't even erg much at all ever (like Ursula Grobler). She's said she hates it.

Is Ursula someone like you, who has lost 60 bpm from your youthful maxHR due to inactivity and age, not to mention a good part of your strength, quickness, agility, flexibility, endurance, tolerance for work, etc.?

I'm not sure the case is parallel.

ranger

I'm not sure if your attention span matches that on amoeba...
Once again: Best of luck with your erging! (Get it? I'm supporting your ever-hopeful quest to be elected "Mr. Unprecedented erger of the millennium")( I applaud your quest but question a positive outcome)

Hope you will come to the conclusion that you cannot simply erg your way into phenomenal performances on the water.

BTW: Ursula would kick your tiny-heine if you ever got to race her OTW and she can't even break 6:50 OTErg...
Go figure!

I bet you she doesn't know what spi is either
You should go on her website, insult her, and challenge her to 135 drag factor herself into "cry-4-mercy" protoplasm.

[mikvan52]

Was that LWT?

Weight is irrelevant.

It is just fat.

On the erg, fat does (not?) speed you up or slow you down.

It just hangs there.

ranger

Re: What percentage of the human body is composed of water?

Date: Mon May 15 09:10:18 2000
Posted By: Jeffrey Utz, M.D., Neuroscience, pediatrics, Allegheny University
Area of science: Anatomy
ID: 956756028.An
Message:

Different people have different percentages of their bodies made up of
water. Babies have the most, being born at about 78%. By one year of age,
that amound drops to about 65%. In adult men, about 60% of their bodies
are water. However, fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue.
In adult women, fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about
55% of their bodies made of water. Fat men also have less water (as a
percentage) than thin men.



Let's say that ranger weighs 165 lbs
60% of that is 99 lbs

Let's say he's 10% fat (16.5 lbs)

So the the real ranger is 165 - 99 - 16.5 = 49.5 lbs... WOW! You are a lwt! and one desiccated old coot to boot!

And indeed we have noticed you "hanging there" on the erg, especially when you handle-down for a TREAT/RWB break(7:11 2k).
What to you do during your breaks? Get up and weigh yourself?

When are you doing the hour row as a lwt or a hwt, again? Did I miss your self-imposed deadline announcement?

[johnlvs2run]

One of my points about the two videos above was to indicate how your OTW "technique" matched your erg "technique" ...

(Mine does too to a great extent. I don't like that.

Therefore, how people row on the erg, is the same as how they row on the water.

This is all I have right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccptVCjD44

Comparing this to the Danes and Italians shows the MAJOR differences.

The top rowers don't use the heavy heave ho strokes, and don't take the long rests between strokes.

Interestingly, this is exactly what Freed said in his interview, that the erg taught him to use a quick catch rather than a heavy heave ho, and the quick catch helped him to row faster. He also said learning this on the erg helped his otw rowing. This makes sense, as both Rich and Mike row the same on the water that they do on the erg.

[bloomp]

One of my points about the two videos above was to indicate how your OTW "technique" matched your erg "technique" ...

(Mine does too to a great extent. I don't like that.

Therefore, how people row on the erg, is the same as how they row on the water.

Fallacy. Again, since you have limited erging experience and zero experience OTW, you don't know a bowball from a stern deck. The "Oarsome Foursome" of Australia does a pretty excellent example of erging in the C2 instructional video - and how they row OTW is much more graceful than such.

This is all I have right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccptVCjD44

Comparing this to the Danes and Italians shows the MAJOR differences.

The top rowers don't use the heavy heave ho strokes, and don't take the long rests between strokes.

When was the last time you saw the Danes or Italians rowing other than in a race? They certainly do not constantly train at the same rating that they race at. You're also forgetting that there are THREE (count them, 1, 2, 3) more people in a straight four than a 1x.

[whp4]

One of my points about the two videos above was to indicate how your OTW "technique" matched your erg "technique" ...

(Mine does too to a great extent. I don't like that.

Therefore, how people row on the erg, is the same as how they row on the water.

Fallacy. Again, since you have limited erging experience and zero experience OTW, you don't know a bowball from a stern deck.

Talking with Rupp about this stuff is a waste of time.

"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him" -- Omar Khayam

You can substitute "ranger" for "Rupp" with little loss of generality

[jliddil]

Mike--
Video

I'm not worthy

[ranger]

When are you doing the hour row as a lwt or a hwt, again?

Weight is irrelevant; rate is the central issue.

For good young lightweights, FM rate, I think, should be 26 spm.

That is, you should be able to rate 26 spm with a low UT1 HR, for me, about 155 bpm.

5K rate, AT, should be 32 spm.

60min rate, top-end UT1, should be between these two, at 29 spm.

That's the challenge!

30min at 30 spm.

HM at 28 spm.

2K at 36 spm.

If he holds his technique together and pulls, say, 11 SPI, Mike VB will rate 20 spm for a FM rather than 28 spm. 5K is 26 spm, rather than 32 spm. 60min is 23 spm, rather than 29 spm.

And so forth.

Because of his limited aerobic capacity, to raise the rate he has to break down his technique and trade rate for pace.

If he holds his technique together, at, say, 11 SPI, Mike's 2K rate is 30 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, when racing 2K on the erg, the great Danish lightweights pull right around 11 SPI.

Then they rate 44 spm.

ranger

[Citroen]

GO TO BED - you freak.