The Two Types of Training

[Nosmo]

The younger rowers, by rating up, are a minute faster than Mike in 2K, thirty seconds faster in 1K.

By having a much higher VO2 max, because they are young, they can rate up. If you don't have the VO2max, rating up doesn't do any good. High rating is only useful if you have the boat speed.

It is much easier to row a 2:30 pace at a 22 then it is at a 32. It is much easier to row a 2:00 pace at a 30 then it is at a 40. If you can't row at sub 1:50 rating 36-38 won't do you any good.

[ranger]

Doing 34 for the body is perfectly reasonable, but if you do 36 for the body what do you do, sprint at 39?

If you are a 60-year-old lightweight who can pull 6:16 on the erg and can do 36 spm for a full 1K OTW, start to finish, you won't need to sprint in order to win.

You will just power away from the field--and that will be that.

ranger

[ranger]

If you can't row at sub 1:50 rating 36-38 won't do you any good

Indeed.

If I rate 36 spm OTW, start to finish, I'll pull 1:50.

ranger

[ranger]

By having a much higher VO2 max, because they are young, they can rate up.

Yes, what I eventually do OTW will depend crucially on what I end up doing on the erg when I am fully trained and rowing well.

I will have to pull 6:16 (or something like).

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

When he is 60, Mike will have trouble pulling 6:50, even though we are the same size.

If I pull 6:16 on the erg and Mike pulls 6:50, the difference will not be technique.

The difference will be aerobic capacity.

I will erg like a good 30s lighweight.

Mike will erg like a good 70s lightweight.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Doing 34 for the body is perfectly reasonable, but if you do 36 for the body what do you do, sprint at 39?

If you are a 60-year-old lightweight who can pull 6:16 on the erg and can do 36 spm for a full 1K OTW, start to finish, you won't need to sprint in order to win.

You will just power away from the field--and that will be that.

ranger

That's so right: IF

[mikvan52]

what I eventually do OTW will depend crucially on what I end up doing on the erg

The fallacy of the ancient erger: Who said: "If scullers are free, why are ergers everywhere in chains?" ?

... or something like that .... (or something "like a 6:16" 2k when "fully trained"by someone who plans to never be "fully trained" so he can keep on talking.


"I NOW (Trowll) WELL".

[mikvan52]

If you can't row at sub 1:50 rating 36-38 won't do you any good

Indeed.

If I rate 36 spm OTW, start to finish, I'll pull 1:50.

ranger

Look. Rich:

We can continue to make cutting remarks... But, here, I'd like to help:

Let me suggest working on form first to get 1:50 pace for 1k in the single. Avoid the common pitfall of trying to trade rate for pace... It hurts too much. Try the easier route

Once you get your Fluid, try long uninterrupted rows at 18-22 spm and make it a goal to get under 2:10 pace... It comes with time. THen try a relaxed 5k at 2:05 - 2:15 pace... THese are the easier stepping stones

[whp4]

I think I am now much better technically.

Good that someone believes that! What about your wife and kids, do they also think you are much better technically? Or do they roll their eyes and change the subject when you start talking about this? You do talk about these great accomplishments with them, don't you?

So this is my belief, and I won't give it up until I have convincing evidence to the contrary:

When I am fully trained and rowing well, this improved technique will have a significant effect on my erg times--across the board.

We've already got convincing evidence: you are slower. You can apportion the blame between the "improved" technique and aging however you wish.

[johnlvs2run]

At Athens 2004 the Danish LW M4- averaged 40.7 strokes per minute ... they were outrated by the Italians, who rated 40.9 spm for the race. If high rating actually meant everything then the Danes should not have won.

Maybe they should listen to Mike vB and row at 26 spm.

Has MvB ever recommended that someone else should row at the rating he rows?

To answer the rhetorical question posed by Nosmo: No.

Avoid the common pitfall of trying to trade rate for pace... It hurts too much. Try the easier route

Once you get your Fluid, try long uninterrupted rows at 18-22 spm

[ranger]

That's so right: IF

Yes, these are big, highly questionable "ifs."

But there might be a slim chance.

Or not!



ranger

[ranger]

We've already got convincing evidence

Think what you want, but no, you don't.

You will soon, though.

All the pieces of my training are pretty much in place now.

I just need to do distance trials, and then some hard sharpening with both long and short anaerobic intervals.

Then I will be fully trained.

As I mentioned, distance trials are very accurate 2K predictors, and better yet, predictors that are all tightly interrelated by formula ("double the d, add 3").

So we will pretty much know then, before I sharpen and race.

Sure, if I only pull 17:30 for 5K, 36:00 for 10K, 16.3K for 60min, etc., then I am now only capable of 6:40 for 2K, even when I am fully trained.

I will have slowed down considerably compared to what I pulled in 2003.

ranger

[Citroen]

i like Rangers enthusiasam for rowing...well done mate! Hope i am as fit at your age!


Mr Wells

You must be new around here. Please don't feed our forum troll.

[aharmer]

Ranger, the last couple days I've read a couple posts hinting toward you doing no distance trials until this fall. Could you please clarify? Do you plan on doing all the distance trials before the end of this month as promised, or is the new target date this fall?

And to everybody else, I already know the answer is never, just wanted to force him to put his lies out in the public space yet again:)

Ranger is capable of posting pics of the river near his home with no problems. Wonder why a screenshot of his training refuses to load? Do you have any unbroken pieces of over 2k in play yet?

[ranger]

Ranger, the last couple days I've read a couple posts hinting toward you doing no distance trials until this fall. Could you please clarify?

No, I am not doing distance trials in the fall.

I am doing them over the next two weeks.

ranger

[jliddil]

Generally:
To everyone... I'd prefer if this forum would focus on good training... not so much on who is the superior rower.

Fine. But this thread is not and NEVER has been about training and NEVER will be (until ranger can't use a computer). That's a long time. It's just like the Monty Python Argument skit. We learn NOTHING because even with the foe feature there is so much unfocused banter that it is nearly impossible to make any sense of any of this. Training? Training for what? Debate Team?

Now what it is is like watching soap opera. It's entertainment and like watching a train wreak.

Diary of a Madman

Screaming at the window
Watch me die another day
Hopeless situation endless price I have to pay

Sanity now it's beyond me there's no choice

Diary of a madman
Walk the line again today
Entries of confusion
Dear diary I'm here to stay

Manic depression befriends me
Hear his voice
Sanity now it's beyond me
There's no choice

A sickened mind and spirit
The mirror tells me lies
Could I mistake myself for someone
Who lives behind my eyes
Will he escape my soul
Or will he live in me
Is he tryin' to get out or tryin' to enter me

Voices in the darkness
Scream away my mental health
Can I ask a question
To help me save me from myself

Enemies fill up the pages
Are they me
Monday till Sunday in stages
Set me free