The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

... it doesn't matter what weight I row at.

Rowing as a heavyweight is no advantage; rowing as a lightweight is no disadvantage.

ranger

I think you mean "erging" , not rowing

From C2

"It is not unusual for a larger, heavier athlete to be capable of producing more power than their smaller teammate. In many cases this results in the larger person scoring better on the erg. This does not tell the whole story, because in the on-water rowing world, there is the effect of greater body weight submerging the boat deeper into the water. This creates drag that must be overcome by the power of the rowers. The heavier the rower, the more drag on the boat, and the more power that rower will have to produce to be equal to their lighter teammate. The erg does not penalize the heavier rower in this way, so a heavier rower may appear to have a higher potential than they really have when it is time to get into the boat.
The Concept2 Indoor Rower is a very useful tool to rowing coaches because it provides a controlled, measurable way to compare their athlete's potential. However, it is important that coaches take into account the body weight of their rowers as well. This is where the Weight-Adjustment Formula comes in. Indeed, many coaches have been using this formula over the years but it required a love of math and a pretty powerful calculator! Now it’s easy with our Online Weight Adjustment Calculator!
Important: Your adjusted score cannot be entered into the Concept2 Online Ranking. Ranking results must be raw times and distances only.
Coaches, take note: The formula used here is not exactly the same as the one you may have used in the past, and you will not be able to compare old adjusted results with adjusted results from this web tool. We have recently fine-tuned the formula so that it better reflects the speed of an eight.
Weight Adjustment FAQ's


Your weight-adjusted score will be a pretty good estimate of your potential speed in an eight. If all eight rowers have the same adjusted score, then that eight should be capable of rowing that speed for a 2k race on the water—given perfect conditions and near perfect rowing effectiveness (nobody rows perfectly).

Why should a coach use this adjustment calculator?
If you are going to use erg scores as one of the criteria for boating selection, it is very important that you compare weight adjusted scores. Otherwise, you will not necessarily be selecting the most effective rowers. This is due to the fact that the erg does not penalize heavier rowers for the effect that their extra weight may have on the boat speed."


I particularly like the "nobody rows perfectly" part

[Byron Drachman]

That works but I suspect Byron was thinking of Don Quixote's horse.

Yes, I was thinking of Don Quixote. The 6:16 2K and FM@1:45 coming up soon, and the contradictory, confused tilting at windmills in Ranger's daily postings made me think of Don Quixote's method of transportation. I am sure Ranger put some effort into this:

While I thought I answered what you said you asked me when I said I was considering trying to think about the fact that I needed a new boat and that I might have the money now to get one, although perhaps not just yet, in a few days, though, it appears from what you are saying, or least implying with what you are saying, that perhaps I wasn't entirely clear with what I said in response to what you asked me about what I said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocinante
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

[Nosmo]

Indeed, many coaches have been using this formula over the years but it required a love of math and a pretty powerful calculator!

Or perhaps an $8.00 calculator and knowledge of seventh grade math.

[bloomp]

Indeed, many coaches have been using this formula over the years but it required a love of math and a pretty powerful calculator!

Or perhaps an $8.00 calculator and knowledge of seventh grade math.

Or perhaps Excel and a knowledge of a few formulas to effectively keep track of multiple athletes and allow for immediate re-calcuation!

[BrianStaff]

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.

hey dreamer...You have to order it first

[ranger]

I am sure Ranger put some effort into this:

Ranger wrote:

While I thought I answered what you said you asked me when I said I was considering trying to think about the fact that I needed a new boat and that I might have the money now to get one, although perhaps not just yet, in a few days, though, it appears from what you are saying, or least implying with what you are saying, that perhaps I wasn't entirely clear with what I said in response to what you asked me about what I said.

Effort?

Nah.

It comes out that way, just naturally, as naturally as 12 SPI on the erg.

No effort at all.



ranger

[ranger]

Yea!

The axel for my seat has arrived from Peinert.

So it's back OTW tomorrow.

Spring has come here in Ann Arbor--in full force.

Amazing.

At least a month early this year.

ranger

[ranger]

I was the first minnow to swim like a barracuda

Yep.

I'll always be the first 50s lwt to erg sub-6:30.

That fact is history.

In a few months, I'll be the first _60s_ lwt to erg sub-6:30.

If I erg sub-6:20 when I am 60, as I think I will, I will be--now, and forever more--the only 60s lwt to erg sub-6:20.

To erg sub-6:20, a 60s lwt has to have a natural stroking power of 12 SPI.

Good luck.

No 60s lwt has ever had a natural stroking power of much more than 10 SPI.

10 SPI @ 34 spm is 6:48.

12 SPI @ 34 spm is 6:20.

ranger

[ranger]

Only one more week of classes here at the University of Michigan.

Then I am off from teaching for five months.

I'll spend lots of time OTW this spring, summer, and fall.

ranger

[ranger]

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.

hey dreamer...You have to order it first

I am buying the boat out of the inheritance I am receiving from my mother.

But I won't order the boat until the money arrives.

That will be soon, though.

A couple of weeks.

For beneficiaries of annuities, transfer of ownership is immediate.

This sort of inheritance does not go through probate, etc.

The paperwork has already been sent to my brother, the executor of the estate.

It will arrive here in Ann Arbor--toute suite.

When the money arrives, I'll order the new boat.

ranger

[ranger]

I'll have a full two months OTW before I go out East to row with Mike.

Nothing to get in the way now.

No work, no children at home.

The Huron River is beautifully high, clear, and wide at this time of year, too.

No vegetation.





If I put in 20K a day OTW, that's over a million meters by June 15th.

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.

It should be _fast_.

I like the bow-mounted rigging that stabilizes bow-to-stern rocking.

The Fluid hull, I suspect, is much stiffer than my Peinert's hull, too.

My Peinert is pretty beaten up. It is seven years old.

The Fluid will be brand new.

"The Windhover"

BLUE

http://www.bartleby.com/122/12.html

ranger

[Nosmo]

I like the bow-mounted rigging that stabilizes bow-to-stern rocking.

Why would this be the case? Doesn't make much sense to me.

The Fluid hull, I suspect, is much stiffer than my Peinert's hull, too.

Don't think it is significantly stiffer. The Peinerts are very stiff. Which is not to say the fluid isn't a much nicer boat.

[ranger]

Doesn't make much sense to me.

That's not surprising.

A lot doesn't make sense to you.

ranger

[Nosmo]

Doesn't make much sense to me.

That's not surprising.

A lot doesn't make sense to you.

ranger

Touche! Should have saw that coming.

[snowleopard]

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.

It should be _fast_

Depends who's in it. Let Mike have a go

I like the bow-mounted rigging that stabilizes bow-to-stern rocking.

How do you know you like it? You haven't tried it yet. And as a novice rower, are you qualified to make an assessment?