The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by KevJGK » April 12th, 2010, 2:49 am

Byron Drachman wrote:
Mike VB wrote:Have you thought of a name for your boat?
Rocinante
Track 5 Byron? :wink:
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » April 12th, 2010, 4:05 am

KevJGK wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:
Mike VB wrote:Have you thought of a name for your boat?
Rocinante
Track 5 Byron? :wink:
:)

That works but I suspect Byron was thinking of Don Quixote's horse.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 4:09 am

ranger wrote:
lancs wrote:His overall average will be somewhere above the 2:00/500m mark.
You mean things like 20 x 1K, 1:43 @ 29 spm (30 seconds rest)?

10 x 2K, 1:43 @ 29 spm (1 minute rest)?

Or 4 x 5K, 1:43 @ 29 spm (2.5 minutes rest)?

Or 2 x 10, 1:43 @ 29 spm (5 minutes rest)?

Ah.

Perhaps.

Great stuff.

Then you just work toward reducing, and then eliminating, those little rests.

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All of these "threshold" workouts are great, especially the 2Ks.

Why?

Well, the intervals are 2K, racing distance.

The ratio is 10 MPS.

HR is sub-threshold, top-end UT1.

Mike C. suggests 10 x 1500m (1 minute rest) for these level 3 interval workouts (RWBs).

Sure.

That's another good one.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 4:19 am

mikvan52 wrote:Have you ordered your boat?
While I thought I answered what you said you asked me when I said I was considering trying to think about the fact that I needed a new boat and that I might have the money now to get one, although perhaps not just yet, in a few days, though, it appears from what you are saying, or least implying with what you are saying, that perhaps I wasn't entirely clear with what I said in response to what you asked me about what I said.

:D :D

Had a nice row this morning.

How about you?

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.

Spring has come _very_ early this year.

Down here in central Illinois it wsa 80 degrees F. yesterday.

In the middle of April?

Nice.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 12th, 2010, 5:29 am

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Have you ordered your boat?
While I thought I answered what you said you asked me when I said I was considering trying to think about the fact that I needed a new boat and that I might have the money now to get one, although perhaps not just yet, in a few days, though, it appears from what you are saying, or least implying with what you are saying, that perhaps I wasn't entirely clear with what I said in response to what you asked me about what I said.

:D :D

Had a nice row this morning.

How about you?

Can't wait for my new boat to arrive.
First things first, right?
Hope you wheel to your seat arrives soon too.

One tip I tell my masters sculling friends: "Keep extra parts around so that there's no reason to delay OTW workouts."
I've had 3-4 weeks of training OTW here in Annapolis.. you've had 2 days....hmmm.

I save old sets of wheels when I replace mine regularly... Oarlocks and tracks are other candidates for early replacement. Have you ever changed them out on your Peinert?

Enjoy your day :)

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » April 12th, 2010, 5:39 am

mikvan52 wrote:Hope you wheel to your seat arrives soon too.
You mean you hope his wife hands it over? Maybe ranger is behind with the chores :idea:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 6:45 am

1:43 is top-end UT1 for a 6:08 2K.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 7:01 am

I was the first 50s lightweight to row 6:30 or under for 2K, which I did three times when I was 52.

Now, I have put myself in the position to be the first 60s lightweight to row sub-6:30 for 2K.

In terms of the historical decline with age, sub-6:30 at 60 is 17 seconds better than sub-6:30 at 50.

If things go well, I also have the chance of being the first 50s/60s lightweight (or 60s heavyweight) to row sub-6:20.

That is _really_ exciting.

A sub-6:20 2K by a 60s lightweight would never be beaten.

It would stand forever.

In historical terms, it is the equivalent of a sub-5:40 2K by an Open lightweight.

Only one or two _40s_ lightweights have pulled sub-6:20, and not for a long time, almost a decade.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by lancs » April 12th, 2010, 7:05 am

ranger wrote:Now, I have put myself in the position to be the first 60s lightweight to row sub-6:30 for 2K.
No, you haven't.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 7:17 am

The biggest difficulty for a 60s lightweight who wants to pull 6:20 is training themselves to have a natural stroking power of 12 SPI.

It is a question whether any 60s lightweight has ever had a natural stroking power of even 10 SPI.

12 SPI @ 34 spm is 6:20.

10 SPI @ 34 spm is 6:48.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JimR » April 12th, 2010, 7:25 am

ranger wrote:The biggest difficulty for a 60s lightweight who wants to pull 6:20 is training themselves to have a natural stroking power of 12 SPI.
For you the biggest challenge would be doing 6:20 as a 59 HWT ... something you have yet to do.

BTW ... maybe if you passed on the new boat this year you could pay your debt to hjs and Roy? Or you could buy used and save enough to.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 7:44 am

I suspect that Paul Hendershott pulled right around 12 SPI when he set the 60s heavyweight WR down to 6:24 seven years ago.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 12th, 2010, 7:51 am

TomR wrote:For you the biggest challenge would be doing 6:20 as a 59 HWT ... something you have yet to do.
My heavyweight and lightweight pbs are identical (6:27.5, 6:28).

When I am fully prepared to race, it doesn't matter what weight I row at.

Rowing as a heavyweight is no advantage; rowing as a lightweight is no disadvantage.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by jliddil » April 12th, 2010, 8:41 am

where's the beef wrote: That is _really_ exciting.
A sub-6:20 2K by a 60s lightweight would never be beaten.
It would stand forever.
Never and forever are a long long time
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 12th, 2010, 8:51 am

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ranger wrote:I was the first minnow to swim like a barracuda , which I did three times when I was 52.

Now, I have put myself in the position to be the first blowfish to swallow a school of tuna.

That is _really_ exciting.

Such a feat would never be matched.

Let me say that yet another way as I like typing with my massive pectoral fins: It would stand forever.

Indeed, let me go on and on and on about this until people ignore me.

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