The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Certainly not making a killing:

http://www.umsalary.info/peoplesearch.p ... 5&Campus=1

Yea, retirement will be great.

I'll make three times as much without working.

I have done well in the stock market.

Last year, my retirement account made twice as much as my salary!

Nice.

If the economy makes a strong comeback from here, I'll make another killing.

I guessed the housing bubble, took all of my money out the market when it crashed, and bought in at the bottom.

I guessed the tech bubble, too, and did the same.

You had to be a dolt to have missed that a lot of hanky-panky was going on.

Greed got the best of everyone--so everybody lost their shirts.

Pigs get slaughtered.

When the market starts making too much money for you, worry.

Something is up.

It pays to invest rather than to spend.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

I have rowed about 60 million meters, very few of them fast.
ranger

Finally we're getting somewhere.

[whp4]

I have rowed about 60 million meters, very few of them fast.
ranger

Finally we're getting somewhere.

And as another refreshing change from the usual, especially for a former WR holder, TSO rows quite a few of his competition meters rather slowly compared to his PB

[mikvan52]

Mike--

I'll be out camped on the Connecticut River for the last two weeks in June.

If you want to get together for a row...

I am usually out on the water by 5 a.m.

Because of the cavalier way you present this itinerary I believe that you ARE NOT in fact coming and are just playing a mapquest game/google game

PM me with assurances that you are indeed planning to come.

BTW: It would me more than inconvenient to me to car top my boat up to see you where you state that you'll be staying.
May I suggest that you rack your boat where we do on the CT RIver (The Chieftain Inn)...available on google

Also: I do not want to drive more than I have to just to meet you at 5 am for a row. Let's attempt to NOT be obstructive to suggest more driving time for both of us.

Click Orford to Hanover

a closer campground is:

http://www.campvermont.com/html/cgs/cen ... tnnest.htm

It has WIFI ... You can keep your thread going

I do not offer to drive up there..
If you want, you can find out about (secure)racking and launching from the Chieftain which is on the water and has ample rack space.
If you work through Buzz and me there may be a chance to get this added benefit at a reduced cost.
Much of the CT does not have good launching points. There is a free place 2k upstream from the Chieftain which will work for you... It's called 'Wilsons Landing" You can walk your boat into the CT there. It wouldn't be a problem to meet.

I am not offering to car-top my boat to meet you on the river at 5 am(!)

[Byron Drachman]

I row about 20K a day. --snip-- There couldn't be anyone anywhere who has done more distance rowing, as opposed to sprinting, in his training for rowing.

The devoted followers of Ranger threads will remember that once he posted a screen shot of his monitor and without realizing it he revealed his lifetime meters. We all knew when he got his C2, and it turned out that he was averaging about 10K a day, although he was reporting astoundingly high numbers of daily meters. If we toss in his OTW meters he does in his very abbreviated OTW season, he probably averages 11K per day. That would put him on the third page for daily average:

http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/chal ... gotopage=1

[ranger]

I have rowed about 60 million meters, very few of them fast.
ranger

Finally we're getting somewhere.

Yep.

When you do the same, you'll get somewhere, too, rather than where you are now.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Hey, if you think it's too complicated, forget it.

I have already made my reservations.

I assumed that I could just put in at the Chieftain.

You mean, I can't?

O.K.

Sounds pretty odd, though.

If you came to Ann Arbor, it would be pretty odd for one of us to say that you couldn't put in at the Ann Arbor Rowing Club dock.

Who would care?

"Cavalier"?

I don't think my coming out to row on the Connecticut is "cavalier" at all.

Should be fun, even if you can't be arsed to row with me.

The rowing should be great.

I like to camp, and I haven't done it for a while.

I have always wanted to drive around in the White Mountains.

I teach courses on Frost and Cummings, who lived much of their lives in the area (Frost went to Dartmouth, albeit breifly. Cummings spent summers at Joy Farm on Silver Lake).

I always wanted to climb Mt. Washington, too.

So I might have some other agendas during the day, after rowing, or perhaps even instead of rowing.

I think I might drive out the trans-Canadian highway and stop off at my camp in Algonquin Park, Ontario, for a few days.

It would be great rowing there, too, and I have lots of friends to see.

One of my best friends in the world (the best man at my wedding) lives in Barrie, Ontario, and has a cottage on Canoe Lake, in the park.

One or more of my children might want to come with me on the trip, too, if they have the time.

My second son (age 25) is coming with my on my 8-day visiting professorship to China in October.

ranger

[ranger]

I row about 20K a day. --snip-- There couldn't be anyone anywhere who has done more distance rowing, as opposed to sprinting, in his training for rowing.

The devoted followers of Ranger threads will remember that once he posted a screen shot of his monitor and without realizing it he revealed his lifetime meters. We all knew when he got his C2, and it turned out that he was averaging about 10K a day, although he was reporting astoundingly high numbers of daily meters. If we toss in his OTW meters he does in his very abbreviated OTW season, he probably averages 11K per day. That would put him on the third page for daily average:

http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/chal ... gotopage=1

I haven't done all of my rowing on my erg.

I row on other ergs quite a bit--over at the University, on trips, at race venues, etc.

Yes, and then there are my OTW meters.

When I row on my erg, I do about 20K.

That's all I have claimed.

Sure, you can't row when you are in a car travelling, or sick, or impeded from rowing in some other way (guests in your household, etc.).

When I can't erg, I cross-train.

For instance, there was a great fitness room in the new IHotel down in Urbana, IL, where I was just hanging out for three days in order to bury my mother.

I jumped rope and biked for a couple of hours each morning.

Great stuff.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Mike--

Hey, if you think it's too complicated, forget it.

I have already made my reservations.

I assumed that I could just put in at the Chieftain.

You mean, I can't?

O.K.

Sounds pretty odd, though.

If you came to Ann Arbor, it would be pretty odd for one of us to say that you couldn't put in at the Ann Arbor Rowing Club dock.

Who would care?

Cavalier?

I don't think my coming out to row on the Connecticut is "cavalier" at all.

Should be fun, even if you can't be arsed to row with me.

(snip)
I might have some other agendas during the day, after rowing, or perhaps even instead of rowing.

(snip)

RIch: It's not complicated.
I'd love to row with you. Hope you'll come. (As I suggest {since I KNOW the area}) We can row out of the Chieftain. But I doubt you'd have access on a regular basis as it is a pvt. launching area for paying guests. If you don't want to work through me... contact them on your own.
I do have limited guest priv's so you could launch from there once or twice... The gate it locked otherwise

You can launch anytime 2000m away 7 days a week (at Wilson's landing) to avoid $$-charges.

I was merely trying to make things easier for you.
I am not going to cartop my single to visit with you merely because you choose a site to stay far up the river. Hope you'll be closer so we can scull together without your wasting time and gas on the road. What do you think about the closer campground? IOW: i do suggest that you cancel those reservations and get closer to where we can row together more easily... That makes sense doesn't it?

You and I seem to often misunderstand each other's intentions. For me it's none of this "arsed" stuff! I hope to help make your stay enjoyable.

Do you care to get any coaching while your in VT/NH? Will you go to Craftsbury?

[ranger]

There is a free place 2k upstream from the Chieftain which will work for you... It's called 'Wilsons Landing" You can walk your boat into the CT there. It wouldn't be a problem to meet.

That sounds fine.

Thanks for the info.

I'd be happy to paddle down 2K to the Chieftain.

No need for you to go anywhere special.

ranger

[mikvan52]

There is a free place 2k upstream from the Chieftain which will work for you... It's called 'Wilsons Landing" You can walk your boat into the CT there. It wouldn't be a problem to meet.

That sounds fine.

Thanks for the info.

I'd be happy to paddle down 2K to the Chieftain.

No need for you to go anywhere special.

ranger

I look forward to this time OTW with you.
Sounds like we're 'good to go'.

Do consider googling: "Black Fly Scullers" about their fun event while your around

[ranger]

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Do consider googling: "Black Fly Scullers" about their fun event while your around

Will do.

It would be fun to prepare for a race.

My first!

ranger

[ranger]

Key rates for me now are 26 spm, 32 spm, and 38 spm.

At 11.5 SPI, which I seem to be pulling across the board now, that's 1:44, 1:38, and 1:33.

Both OTW and on the erg, once I get warmed up, I need to hold 26 spm as a minimal rate for long distance rowing.

No need (or desire) to rate any less, even for a FM.

32 spm is AT, a racing rate for middle distance rowing (5K, 6K, 30min, and 10K).

I will also do 32 spm for 4 x 2K.

38 spm is a racing rate for 1K and 2K.

I will race 500m at 45-50 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

PaulS also has his rowers hold 26 spm as a minimal rate, but at 10 MPS that's 1:55 and only 8.8 SPI.

Hmm.

No need to row badly just because you don't want to work at it.

ranger

[ranger]

As I relax with my new technique, I seem to be returning to my old habit of doing 32 spm for my distance rowing.

And does it ever make a difference to know how to row!

My standard pace for distance rowing back in 2003 when I was rating 32 spm was 1:52, or about 8 SPI.

When I rate 32 spm now, I go 1:40, 11 SPI.

That's a dozen seconds per 500m faster.

Wow.

When I started this project of learning how to row well, I thought that good technique might you about four seconds per 500m or so.

Seem not, at least for distance rowing.

3 SPI at 32 spm is 96 watts, a _dozen_ seconds per 500m.

Dang.

That's a lot.

96 watts is the difference between 325 watts and 420 watts in a 2K.

That's 1:42.5 and 1:34.

If my normal 2K back when I was 50 was 1:38/6:32, and the normal decline with age for a 50s rower is 1.7 seconds per year, the prediction is that I should normally row about 1:42.5 for 2K when I am 60.

If I pull 1:34/6:16 when I am 60, I will indeed have improved that 96 watts, although at race pace, it won't be worth a dozen seconds per 500m but only 8.5.

8.5 seconds per 500m!

In a 2K!

Dang.

That's a lot.

ranger