The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bloomp » April 5th, 2010, 2:37 pm

jliddil wrote:He works at a state funded university. In leftpondia this is public information which if not on the internet can be obtained from the university.

Does FOIA not exist in rightpondia?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » April 5th, 2010, 2:46 pm

John Rupp wrote:
John Rupp wrote:There is no such thing as AT, so you're blabbing on about a concept that doesn't exist.
leadville wrote:you'd better have a lot of evidence to back it up.
Observation of reality and a few words of veracity are all that it takes.
Again: so you are saying as a matter of fact that blood lactate does not increase predictably during exercise?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » April 5th, 2010, 3:18 pm

ranger wrote: I am sure that Henry will pay his debts when those payments are due, which is not long now.
Is there any reason why Henry should pay any more promptly than you did? After all, you guys might make another bet in the future, and Henry might win, so what's the rush to settle up now?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » April 5th, 2010, 3:27 pm

ranger wrote:
JimR wrote:So how is it you can afford vacations
What I do from April 15th to September 15th is not vacation; it's unemployment.

I would love to work, but the University can't afford to hire me.
The university could certainly afford it, but perhaps your department can't (or more likely doesn't see any value in doing so).
At least the park has showers and a pool so that I can wash off the sweat when I am done rowing and erging each day.
If you erg first, the frequent swimming during your rowing will accomplish the same thing :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 5th, 2010, 3:38 pm

whp4 wrote:
ranger wrote:
JimR wrote:So how is it you can afford vacations
What I do from April 15th to September 15th is not vacation; it's unemployment.

I would love to work, but the University can't afford to hire me.
The university could certainly afford it, but perhaps your department can't (or more likely doesn't see any value in doing so).
At least the park has showers and a pool so that I can wash off the sweat when I am done rowing and erging each day.
If you erg first, the frequent swimming during your rowing will accomplish the same thing :lol:
Cutbacks are occurring everywhere.

We had to cut a million bucks out of our department's budget this year.

Sure, summer teaching is competitive, but it is also shared.

I have taught in the spring-summer all of my career.

So now that money is short, I have to give others a chance.

Those who have taught in the spring-summer in recent years are last on the list to teach this year (and last).

Only about 1/10 of the faculty in our department can teach in the spring-summer terms because of the smaller enrollment.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 5th, 2010, 3:39 pm

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 5th, 2010, 3:40 pm

Citroen wrote:I can't believe that stuff is available on the public internet. Have you folks in Leftpondia never heard of privacy and data protection? And I thought the UK was good at losing personal data like a leaky sieve.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 5th, 2010, 3:44 pm

ranger wrote:Mike--

I'll be out camped on the Connecticut River for the last two weeks in June.

If you want to get together for a row, give me a call.

My cell phone is 734-478-0075.

I am usually out on the water by 5 a.m. in the summer, done by 8 a.m.

Great time to row, with the sun blazing over the horizon.

I'll probably be doing a second session, in the afternoon, on the erg.

Happy to have you join me for that, too.

Give me a ring.

I'll be up in the Jacob Brooks campground, in Orford, a few miles north of Hanover, on the Connecticut.

Nice place: wi-fi, swimming pool, showers, electric hook-up, etc. I'll just pitch my tent for $20 a night.

I'll be there, June 15th-30th.

It will be fun rowing on the Connecticut for a couple of weeks.

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Because of the cavalier way you present this itinerary I believe that you ARE NOT in fact coming and are just playing a mapquest game/google game

PM me with assurances that you are indeed planning to come.

BTW: It would me more than inconvenient to me to car top my boat up to see you where you state that you'll be staying.
May I suggest that you rack your boat where we do on the CT RIver (The Chieftain Inn)...available on google

Also: I do not want to drive more than I have to just to meet you at 5 am for a row. Let's attempt to NOT be obstructive to suggest more driving time for both of us.

Click Orford to Hanover

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Citroen » April 5th, 2010, 3:45 pm

bloomp wrote:
jliddil wrote:He works at a state funded university. In leftpondia this is public information which if not on the internet can be obtained from the university.

Does FOIA not exist in rightpondia?
Not in the way your FoI act woks. You have to request the info from the Gov't and they stipulate how you can use it and whether you can have it. It's not available as a right.

Here in the UK we have the most Draconian libel laws in the World to help stem freedom of speech. In the UK there's no written consitution and definitely no 1st amendment.

We've also got more CCTV cameras per head of population than anywhere in the Western World. So Rupp is right about Big Brother. I suspect it's one of the many reasons that our dearly loved, soon to expire, Labour Gov't costs us so much in taxation.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Bob S. » April 5th, 2010, 3:48 pm

JimR wrote:
Everybody knows you work long distance to short. That is why everyone else is so slow, they have it backwards!

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Bullshit. As far as I know, he hasn't done that, i.e. from long to short. But I have - it works great and I don't give a fiddler's fart what "everyone else" does.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 5th, 2010, 3:53 pm

ranger wrote: I am usually out on the water by 5 a.m. in the summer, done by 8 a.m.

Great time to row, with the sun blazing over the horizon.

I'll probably be doing a second session, in the afternoon, on the erg.

I'll be up in the Jacob Brooks campground, in Orford, a few miles north of Hanover, on the Connecticut.

Nice place: wi-fi, swimming pool, showers, electric hook-up, etc. I'll just pitch my tent for $20 a night.

I'll be there, June 15th-30th.

It will be fun rowing on the Connecticut for a couple of weeks.

ranger
FOR EMPHASIS ABOUT PRACTICALITY:
Where would you launch your boat? IF you would launch in Orford: we would not ever see each other because you'd be nearly 30 miles away.... each morning when you got up and I'd be getting up 60-70 miles south of you.. Does not make sense..(!)

Also: Will you be seeking coaching in VT/NH?... (no need to reply here. PM response preferred)

I row early too... but I have a limit on how far I'd drive to meet another rower.

Hope you understand the situation.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 5th, 2010, 3:54 pm

whp4 wrote:If you erg first, the frequent swimming during your rowing will accomplish the same thing
I used to flip my 1x pretty regularly.

That stopped a couple of years ago.

If I was still doing a lot of swimming, I wouldn't be out rowing in Michigan on April 5th.

I now row OTW pretty well, plenty well to be competitive with any 60s OTW rowers anywhere.

The adantage of being better is that I am out OTW two months earlier this year than the last five years.

I am also going to try to row about twice as much a day as I did in previous years.

Together, these two should give me a couple million more meters OTW this year than any of my others year OTW.

Of course, the things I can do with my OTW are also quite a bit different than they used to be when I did a lot of swimming.

:oops: :oops:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 5th, 2010, 4:00 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
ranger wrote: I am usually out on the water by 5 a.m. in the summer, done by 8 a.m.

Great time to row, with the sun blazing over the horizon.

I'll probably be doing a second session, in the afternoon, on the erg.

I'll be up in the Jacob Brooks campground, in Orford, a few miles north of Hanover, on the Connecticut.

Nice place: wi-fi, swimming pool, showers, electric hook-up, etc. I'll just pitch my tent for $20 a night.

I'll be there, June 15th-30th.

It will be fun rowing on the Connecticut for a couple of weeks.

ranger
FOR EMPHASIS ABOUT PRACTICALITY:
Where would you launch your boat? IF you would launch in Orford: we would not ever see each other because you'd be nearly 30 miles away.... each morning when you got up and I'd be getting up 60-70 miles south of you.. Does not make sense..(!)

Also: Will you be seeking coaching in VT/NH?... (no need to reply here. PM response preferred)

I row early too... but I have a limit on how far I'd drive to meet another rower.

Hope you understand the situation.
Oh, no, I won't launch at Orford unless we can't get together.

I am happy to drive down to wherever you are each morning.

No need for us to row together every day, if you don't want.

I don't want to disrupt your training.

No need for you to go out of your way.

Orford seemed like the closest state park, and it is right on the river, which is nice, if I want to do second sessions, etc., in the evening, when I am back at the campsite.

If there is a closer park, I would be happy to stay there, if the services are as nice as at Orford.

A park with wi-fi, showers, swimming pool, and electric hook-up for tent sites is perfect.

At $20, the price is right, too.

Over a couple of weeks, I will save a couple of thousand buck on lodging.

I don't mind camping at all.

I spent all of my childhood summers--for 20 years--in the Canadian woods.

It looks as though we will be about equidistant from the Chieftain.

You will have to drive 30 miles north.

I will have to drive 30 miles south.

No problem.

Usually, I only have to go a couple hundred yards.

I live right on the Huron River.

It runs right by my subdivision.

I get to the river in about a minute.

Nice.

The Huron is great right now.

Clean.

No vegetation.

Beautiful rowing.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by jliddil » April 5th, 2010, 4:11 pm

Citroen wrote: Here in the UK we have the most Draconian libel laws in the World to help stem freedom of speech. In the UK there's no written consitution and definitely no 1st amendment.
That's why we left and set up shop here. :D

Privacy laws in Europe in general are much stricter than the US. In my industry we are constantly dealing with new interpretations of the laws, privacy audits of our data collection processes etc.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 5th, 2010, 4:26 pm

Bob S. wrote:As far as I know, he hasn't done that
Yikes, Bob.

I've been at this for 10 years.

I have rowed about 60 million meters, very few of them fast.

I row about 20K a day.

Over the last 10 years, I have cross-trained two to four times as much as I have rowed.

This has no resemblance to those who do 10 x 250m and call it quits each day, etc.

I have spent hours and hours a day doing physical work.

I suspect that you have done nothing of the sort.

I have raced 100K in 6:47.

One day, I rowed 167K.

There couldn't be anyone anywhere who has done more distance rowing, as opposed to sprinting, in his training for rowing.

I am a distance specialist who has been working on his weaknesses.

Why?

You get better by working on your weaknesses, not by parading your strengths.

My distance trials this month will reflect this emphasis I have always placed on endurance training.

I think I have a good chance of rowing about a mile further for 60min that any other 60s lwt in the history of the sport.

A mile?

That's quite a bit.

10 seconds per 500m.

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