The Two Types of Training

[jliddil]

Answer.... This thread is about entertainment not reality. I only wish we had 3D too ... and all the concomitant BS of other aspects of other forms of modern electronic entertainment.

You are so wrong. There's nothing entertaining in seeing a pair of silly old men baiting each other. My boat is bigger than your's, my ergo goes faster than your's.

Give up, it's 100% pointless.

¿Quien es mas macho?

[jliddil]

[nysaag]

Has Ranger paid his debts yet?

[ranger]

My wife found the wheel for the seat of my 1x rolling around in our garage.

So I popped it back on and got back OTW today.

Great day OTW.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zbfbs8.jpg



Did 6K, after 20K on the erg.

Was holding a nice 2:10 @ 26 spm.

Now, all I have to do is press that up to 32 spm as the spring, summer, and fall go by, lifting my HR to my anarobic threshold.

I'll get a HR monitor that I can use in my 1x to check this out.

Right now, I am not working anywhere near that hard.

[whp4]

Right now, I am not working anywhere near that hard.

Working dumber, not harder, right?

[NavigationHazard]

What happens to performance when you hold HR constant at threshold for 30 minutes.



It declines.

Alternatively, what happens to HR when you hold performance constant at threshold-associated pace for 30 minutes:



It goes up.

Unambiguous conclusion: you cannot hold both HR and performance constant at threshold level for even 30 minutes, let alone 60, let alone 90. Why this should be in doubt is beyond me.

[ranger]

Right now, I am not working anywhere near that hard.

Working dumber, not harder, right?

Time to work as hard as I can OTW, as I have been doing for a decade on the erg.

Smarter and smarter about it now.

No technique problems at all.

Now, I can just let it rip.

ranger

[ranger]

What happens to performance when you hold HR constant at threshold for 30 minutes.

Who is the "you" here?

I don't remember being included in the study.

Studies over populations are interesting, but irrelevant to individuals, if the individuals do not have the physiology, training, and life experience of the population studied.

People are not physical processes, following uniform laws.

We are biologically endowed and historically conditioned.

Different matter entirely.

ranger

[jliddil]

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"

[ranger]

Mike--

In a 1K, and in a 2x rather than a 1x, I think we could rate at least 40 spm.

What do you think? ...

I believe Mike's response to one of your more hilarious observations on OTW rowing was to rescind his 2x offer ... something about your boat-stopping abilities.

It is in this thread ... but since you actually ignore what everyone else is posting you probably missed it.

JimR

Really?

Sorry to hear that.

I guess I'll just have to beat him in my 1x then.

In my 1x, I think I can rate 36 spm for 1K, 32 spm for 5K.

Even without the technical improvements I will undoubtedly make, both this year and next, and then off into the future, that's about 1:55 pace for 1K; 2:00 for 5K.

I'll be happy with that this year.

See you there, Mike.

ranger

[ranger]

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"

Indeed.

The nay-sayers posting here are ridiculous fools, which was obvious from the beginning.

You're one of the biggest fools, dude.

Good luck with it.

Dang.

A whole _community_ of fools is a pretty rare thing,

But that's what we seem to have.

Amazing.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

I don't remember being included in the study. ranger

You can't remember what you posted five minutes ago, so I'm not surprised. Care to provide unambiguous proof of how your physiology is different? I'll accept a screenshot of the 2' splits of a continuous 30 minutes on the erg at 1:48 average pace and an unvarying 172 bpm heartrate. That's only a third of the 90' you claim to be able to do in defiance of basic human physiology.

You might want to notify your next of kin before trying it. Also the Catholic Church, which is always looking for miracles and wonder.

[ranger]

I don't remember being included in the study. ranger

Care to provide unambiguous proof of how your physiology is different? I'll accept a screenshot of the 2' splits of a continuous 30 minutes on the erg at 1:48 average pace and an unvarying 172 bpm heartrate.

Sorry, can't do that.

At 172 bpm, I am now doing 1:43 @ 29 spm, not 1:48 @ 25 spm.

At 1:48, my HR is in and around 155 bpm, low UT1, FM pace.

In a week or so, I'll be happy to start doing some 5K trials, though.

I'll start at 1:43 @ 29 spm, top-end UT1, and my 5K pb, and push down my time from there.

AT for me is now 1:38.

When you are fully trained up for it, 5K is an AT row.

When the time comes, I'll be happy to give you the HRs on a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm, too.

HR should be flat at 155 bpm.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Okay, I'll accept 30' at 1:43 pace and whatever spm you want plus an unvarying HR of 172 bpm.

You won't do that, either, since you can't get to nine minutes' continuous rowing at that pace regardless of HR.

[ranger]

Okay, I'll accept 30' at 1:43 pace and whatever spm you want plus an unvarying HR of 172 bpm.

You won't do that, either, since you can't get to nine minutes' continuous rowing at that pace regardless of HR.

As I said, I'll start with 5K.

Yes, but I think I'll be able to 30', too, down the pipe a bit.

In fact, I'll be able to do 60'.

I'll be happy to supply HRs for these rows, although these HRs will be pretty boring, a lot of 172 bpm.

I'll just be rowing with my HR flat at my anaerobic threshold.

Zillions of athletes do the same.

That you don't is your loss.

It doesn't have any bearing on what others do.

ranger