The Two Types of Training

[Byron Drachman]

It is a pity the wheel is not working on the Peinert. Here is the Grand River this morning. I am sure the Huron looked the same:

[mikvan52]

Some more thoughts on the intervals I just posted.. the fourth one being a 1:33.6 250 with active rest. HR going down to 97 during the active rest interval(2/18/2008)



Notice:

HR jumps immediately for the 46.x second interval (only 20-30 strokes in whole piece)

Notice the short plateau at top rate (140’s)

Notice: while falling it plateaus during the fall. (This happens with all athletes)

Now if you look at:

mikvan52 wrote:
2/18/2008
Practiced race warm-up.

session called for 500 - 500 - 250 - 250 w/5' rests

OVERVIEW: 4:52.6 --- 1500m --- 1:37.5 avg --- 32 spm --- 145 bpm

1:39.8 --- 500m --- 1:39.8 --- 30 --- 145
5' rest --- 697m --- 95 bpm
1:39.1 --- 500m --- 1:39.1 --- 30 --- 149 (90% of max)
5' rest --- 674m --- 94 bpm
0:46.9 --- 250m --- 1:33.8 --- 35 --- 143
5' rest ---- 747m --- 96 bpm
0:46.8 --- 250m --- 1:33.6 --- 33 --- 146
5' cool --- 967m --- 109 bpm
15' cool --- 3722 --- 131 bpm (75% of max) --- 20 spm
(all: logcard data)

Notice that I reach AT on the first 500m interval but it's not the 1:42.5 of which you speak: It's a 1:39.8 at 30 spm.
"1:39.8 --- 500m --- 1:39.8 --- 30 --- 145"
There is no way to you to insist that my HR would be 143 bpm (2 bpm lower) at a pace 2.7 sec per 500 slower...

All this is pretty unimportant though because HR alone does not indicate aerobic capacity.
But, to keep you all wound up, we might as well discuss what you want to... It continues to demonstrate just how inattentive you choose to be to facts.

Citroen asks: "So why do you bother?" (to respond to a troll).
Answer.... This thread is about entertainment not reality. I only wish we had 3D too ... and all the concomitant BS of other aspects of other forms of modern electronic entertainment.

Will ranger get OTW coaching this summer? (Does it matter so long as we get to talk about it here)
Will ranger go sub 6:30 for 2k OTErg (No, again, it doesn't matter.. we get to talk about it)
Will ranger post HR data (No, talk will do just fine, thank you!)
Will ranger compete face to face with Roy again some day (Who really cares?)

ranger, I suspect, feels the same way.. except: he loves posting blather rather than data

[ranger]

There is no way to you to insist that my HR would be 143 bpm (2 bpm lower) at a pace 2.7 sec per 500 slower...

Sure it would.

In the 20 x 500m session, you have to get through 20 of them without going over your anaerobic threshold.

Happy to hear that the PM4 only records HR at the _end_ of an interval.

So, it should be easy for me to get a maxHR reading of 190 bpm recorded, when I get into some hard 8 x 500 sessions (e.g., at my target of 1:31).

If I get a 190 bpm reading, I'll post a pic of it.

BTW, I don't think 250s are very interesting in terms of HR.

Even 500s are not very good for this sort of thing (tracking HR).

ranger

[ranger]

Roy remains the best among the three of us, Rich!

Hardly, Mike.

He hasn't been for two years, and I haven't been been preparing for my 2Ks.

When I am fully prepared and race, I'll now be in the range of 30 seconds faster than Roy over 2K.

Back in the day (2003, etc.), when we were both fully trained, I was only 10 seconds faster than he was over 2K.

Roy can do 8 x 500 @ 1:37.

So it will be fun to try to get through 20 x 500m @ 1:34.

The difference is right around seven seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

Will ranger compete face to face with Roy again some day

Sure, if he comes to BIRC in the fall.

But I don't think he is considering it.

He is biking, no?

At WIRC 2011, I will be a 60s lwt.

You and Roy will still be 55s lwts.

So, the next opportunity at WIRC will be 2012.

I will prepare hard for BIRC this fall so that I can put the 55s lwt WR as low as I can.

If I get in a good race, whatever I do should stand for a long time.

No holding back on this one.

When I am fully trained up for it, I think I'll lower Roy's 55s lwt WR by twenty seconds.

If Roy starts racing again on the erg in 2011 and 2012, he'll have trouble getting within a dozen seconds of his times in 2006.

ranger

[mrfit]

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[Citroen]

Answer.... This thread is about entertainment not reality. I only wish we had 3D too ... and all the concomitant BS of other aspects of other forms of modern electronic entertainment.

You are so wrong. There's nothing entertaining in seeing a pair of silly old men baiting each other. My boat is bigger than your's, my ergo goes faster than your's.

Give up, it's 100% pointless.

[ranger]

There's nothing entertaining in seeing a pair of silly old men baiting each other. My boat is bigger than your's, my ergo goes faster than your's.

Give up, it's 100% pointless.

Not in your life, Dougie.

This is _serious_ business going on here.

Two _world class_ athletes sparring it out on the keyboard.

Trash talking a storm.

What could be better?



And just think.

Soom we'll have all my distance trials, with HRs, to jabber about.

Lord.

It will _never_ end.



How did he fake those heart rates?

Who did he hire to row for him?

He must be 220 lbs. now. That's why he got so fast.

Look! He jacked up the front his erg.

His PM4 must have gone whacky!

He must be on steroids.

Yo mamma do.



ranger

[mikvan52]

If I get a 190 bpm reading, I'll post a pic of it.

So... never

[mikvan52]

Answer.... This thread is about entertainment not reality. I only wish we had 3D too ... and all the concomitant BS of other aspects of other forms of modern electronic entertainment.

You are so wrong. There's nothing entertaining in seeing a pair of silly old men baiting each other. My boat is bigger than your's, my ergo goes faster than your's.

Give up, it's 100% pointless.

Re: "pointless"-ness

Psychologists have pointed out many times that the miracle of man's mind is that he forgets his own mortality and believes that what he does on this planet is of remarkable significance.

I AGREE that ranger and I are silly old men..

go to rowingillustrated.com and see silly younger men.

How about the remarkable pass-time of spectator golf... now that's really something..

Pro football commentary (American and European)? If a 'droid compatible life form were to descend on this planet ... what would they conclude from that...

This summer I'll have little time for this diversion. Look at my post count... It's not huge... (1/3 as numerous as yours, Dougie)
my name is Michael and I am a post-o-holic

[nysaag]

Has Ranger paid his debts yet?

[Citroen]

This summer I'll have little time for this diversion. Look at my post count... It's not huge... (1/3 as numerous as yours, Dougie)

Ah, but my posts are all over the forum, not just on these stupid Ranger threads.

[mikvan52]

This summer I'll have little time for this diversion. Look at my post count... It's not huge... (1/3 as numerous as yours, Dougie)

Ah, but my posts are all over the forum, not just on these stupid Ranger threads.

Cit':
I do not attempt to exonerate myself here, nor to accuse you of much other than engaging in activity that is of little purpose in the end.
How much of everyone's collective volume of verbiage is much more than "just having fun"...? In your case: a whole lot because you guide people through the ways of C2-dom... (My compliments).

Most of my posts have been on threads that I thought would advance my competitive aspirations. RIch is my competition on the erg... That ends for one ann a half years come January 2011...
Boy, that'll be a relief...

I did think he'd join me on the water for some sort of rivalry.... Now, I'm not so sure...

Another point about "interest"... How many views does this thread have?
It's not just ranger and me taking looks...

Answer: Since Feb.8th
3103 Replies.....50105 VIews

Let's see 50,000 views/60 days = 833+ views/day.... Methinks: The ergen~proletariat has spoken with their touch pads.
That's one view every 2 minutes
Welcome to "Troll city!" almost as pointless as Farmville......

[mikvan52]

Has Ranger paid his debts yet?

As the maestro would say:
"been there (not) done that"

[ranger]

I AGREE that ranger and I are silly old men.

Yea, ain't it great?

Live it up while you can.

Hi-yo, Silver.

The Loony Ranger